(Kiri goes over how what she calls her broom closet works to store the wine she makes in trade for her various businesses. The space uses gravity generators built into the walls to maintain its dimensions.) 

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Russ: so I understand your flower crop is looking good.

Kiri: it depends on how you look at it.

Russ: as in bad weather but good for you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you sold them all I believe if I heard right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: congratulations.

Kiri: yes, yes, I sold them all and the highest bidder gets the crops. I’m selling them in groups of 12 so 12 flowers at the moment are running close to about 30 cases is the highest offer so far.

Russ: for 12 flowers?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: 30 cases?

Kiri: uh-huh.
 
Marilynn: I don’t know what 30 cases means.

Russ: cases of wine.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: wow.

Russ: yeah 12 bottles of wine…..

Marilynn: right.

Russ: then you have 30 of those to get your 12 flowers.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: 30 cases of wine. And how many flowers are you looking at?

Kiri: I’m looking at probably in one section I'm definitely going to have 12 dozen, that’s in one quarter and in the next quarter probably twice that and in another quarter it’s going to be half of that and in the last quarter it may be only probably three dozen. That’s the area that's still under deep snow right now.

Russ: that’s a lot of flowers.

Kiri: no not really.

Russ: it’s a lot for…..

Kiri: it’s about half……

Russ: it’s a lot of wine.

Kiri: it’s about half of normal.

Russ: it’s more wine than we could put in this house at any one time.

Marilynn: well yeah.

Russ: we'd have to stop living here just to store the wine here.

Kiri: uh-huh well I keep all of my wine in the broom closet.

Russ: good call, I would too.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: temperature controlled….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: easy to maintain.

Kiri: it’s a unit deep, it’s three units high and two units across.

Russ: that’s in the fifth dimension.

Kiri: and it’s not even a quarter full.

Russ: you need a big forklift to put stuff in there.

Kiri: no, I just put it in the doorway and push. Getting it out is always a problem though.

Russ: that would be a bit of a problem, how do you do that?

Marilynn: bottle by bottle.

Kiri: no what I actually do is I send a little robot in that seeks out what I want and each one is tagged and labeled so the robot can find it and then it brings out the case.

Russ: oh.

Marilynn: well that’s handy.

Kiri: and I programmed it to do that. However sometimes I have to build new ones as the last one that I sent in there is still searching.

Russ: “look, there it is, up there on top. Oh gee, it’s a flat robot."

Kiri: no, no. No it’s more along the lines of the instability of a fifth dimensional workspace.

Russ: oh, tough for the little guys to get around in there huh?

Kiri: uh-huh, I think it’s lost in there somewhere.

Marilynn: sad.

Kiri: do you know of the physics of fifth dimensional space.

Marilynn: uh-uh, no I don’t.

Kiri: (sighs happily) okay, in fifth dimensional space, things do not appear as they seem. For example, Russ, find two objects of dissimilar size.

Russ: two objects of dissimilar size, that should be fairly easy.

Kiri: preferably a matchbox and a....small matchbox by the way, and a book.

Marilynn: how about a CD and a book?

Russ: how about….?

Kiri: a cassette will work.

Russ: there’s a cassette next to you. I got the cassette case and this box here which is slightly larger.

Kiri: perfect.

Russ: grander size I’d say.

Kiri: okay, now we have two objects here of different proportional size. Now this is an explanation of fifth dimensional space. Okay now this one is bigger, in fact it’s so big that we cannot do this and it fits inside. Thank you. Okay now, it’s a perception thing, we put this one here…..okay, that one there is still bigger than this one however, Marilynn…..

Marilynn: yes, I know this game.

Kiri: okay, now if you hold that one up in front of that, in front of that one….

Marilynn: right, I can make it disappear.

Kiri: and that is one explanation of the appearance of the fifth dimensional workspace that that is actually bigger than that which isn’t the case because we know that that box there is bigger than that cassette case. But it appears to be bigger when you hold it up close.

Marilynn: so perception is….

Kiri: that’s correct, perception is one of the things to do with the fifth dimensional workspace. That is part of how I can get over half a million cases of wine into a broom closet.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: okay now the other thing about the fifth dimensional workspace is that the laws don’t stay constant. For example, this, in the fifth dimensional space......or in the third dimensional space does this.

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: now if I was to do that in a fifth dimensional space it may end up on the ceiling….

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: or it could end up on the wall. Also, because of the instability of the fifth dimensional workspace, let’s say you wanted to walk out the door…

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: and go to the bathroom.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: in a fifth dimensional workspace you could get up and start walking and on one occasion it may be just a simple walking across the room and into the bathroom. But, another time, you could walk and take one step and the door is just as far away as it was when you were sitting so you take a second step and it appears the same distance and you can walk and walk and walk and end up walking for several hours all day and never get to the door. But, if you were to turn around, walk out through the glass door.....opening it first of course.....and walk around, you’d get to the bathroom.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: however, the next time that you try to do that you may find that you can't get to that door because that door is so far away that you keep walking and walking and walking. Sometimes it would be easier to walk up the wall, across the ceiling and out the door instead of walking directly towards it. So it varies from time to time because of the instabilities. Okay, let’s answer some questions before I proceed.

Russ: has anybody in the third dimension ever adequately explained the mechanics of the fifth dimension?

Kiri: not really, it’s hard for us sometimes but the fifth dimension has some very useful properties. For example, the fact that you could store vast quantities of stuff in there. There are times where if it becomes too unstable, my broom closet would start spewing cases of wine out until it had closed down to be totally the reverse of what appears to be right now. However, because of the generators that are mounted within the retaining walls of the broom closet that help to create the stability, it won't do that. If I remove those, it could double, quadruple in size and the poor little robots I sent in to get my various cases of wine that I want may be there until whenever. But just as quickly as it can expand, it can also contract and reverse the process.

Marilynn: so just like molecules with heat and cold, that they expand with heat and become in essence larger like steam or contract with cold like ice.

Kiri: that’s correct.

Marilynn: so you had the same volume but it does change because of the speed of the molecules.

Kiri: that’s correct. With the fifth dimensional space, it doesn’t quite depend on hot or cold…..

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: it depends on gravities.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: as the gravity changes and shifts it will contract or expand. If the gravity is more dense, it spreads it out more. If it’s less dense, it tends to contract to maintain the same space.

Marilynn: but you have the same mass?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: so again like with third dimensional with the masses neither created nor destroyed…..

Kiri: that’s correct.

Marilynn: it’s in the same.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: okay.

Russ: I get it, so you have gravity generators mounted on the walls to control its size.

Kiri: correct, to keep it constant and they have to keep adjusting because it doesn’t always stay constant.

Russ: oh I get it. Do they have like a measuring device on it that measures the gravity and adjust it up to or down to that particular one you that want to achieve?

Kiri: uh-huh, that’s correct.

Russ: so if the engines were to fail somehow you could lose your entire stock of wine?

Kiri: uh-huh. It would either expand so rapidly that the wine would be ripped to pieces with the expansion or I could end up with bottles of wine, each one being 10 foot tall or because of the contraction, it would squash everything down and I could end up with wine bottles this size.

Marilynn: are there any limitations in either direction?

Kiri: it depends on the area that you’re using. If you’re using for example my broom closet, there are limitations on how far out it will stretch.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: it will stretch out to approximately.....mathematics time……about a mile and a half. That’s if the generators were to fail or it would compress to a foot by a foot by a foot cube.

Marilynn: okay.

Russ: half a million cases of wine into a foot by foot cube?

Marilynn: small wine then.

Kiri: uh-huh, that’s the minimum. Now, here’s an interesting thing, if the generators fail, I said the wine would be pushed out, that’s not exactly true, it would be better. If the generators failed, the wine isn’t destroyed, the same with if it expands the wine’s not destroyed. See what you’ve done? You've started me having difficulty with words. But, what happens is as I hinted I would have bottles of wine either 10 foot tall or yea big.

Marilynn: so even the contents accommodate the….

Kiri: that’s correct.

Marilynn: should I say the holder of them. I mean like if you had something within a balloon….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: and that…..

Kiri: that’s actually a very good analogy is that it is like a balloon.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: you blow up the balloon and it gets bigger and it will hold more.

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: you let the air out and it contracts and it holds less.

Marilynn: and do dimensions……say you have something that’s 10 x 10…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: and something 20 x 20….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: do they both have limits to their expansion in consideration to their original…..is there an original size I guess is what I’m getting to or is everything constantly moving? Everything adjusting at all times………

Kiri: everything is adjusting at all times however with the stability generators, it minimizes that. The generators themselves actually adjust to keep it constant.

Marilynn: it’d be a real shame to go out of your abode whatever it'd be and it'd just be smaller and you couldn't get back in.

Kiri: uh-huh, it would be a shame yes.

Russ: it sounds like you’re almost harnessing the power of a tame blackhole without the incredible gravities.

Kiri: hmm, that would be one way to describe it is a tame blackhole but it’s not because a blackhole is actually intense gravity, this is not intense gravity.

Marilynn: it can be absence of gravity.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well it can’t be absence.

Kiri: well the gravity helps to keep the stability.

Russ: you have to keep everything on the ground, the absence of gravity would be all floating around there.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that be a real mess for the robots.

Kiri: uh-huh, it would be, it would be. Everything…..gravity is applied in the normal means that you understand but it’s not always as it seems. The perception part is something that is very useful. For example I made the statement that you could walk up walls, you quite literally can and your perception would be that people would be sitting on the walls or holding onto the walls to stop themselves from falling off.

Russ: do people go bonkers studying the fifth dimension in sixth dimension?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: yeah the absence of gravity doesn’t mean I’m not saying no gravity, I’m just saying that different levels of gravity. I mean there’s different on each planet, there is a different gravitational pull……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: and less and more, so......and even the moon isn't without gravity to my knowledge, it’s just a much different….

Kiri: it’s one fifth of your earth gravity.

Marilynn: right, so it’s just a different…..

Kiri: uh-huh. That's correct and it’s all to do with the relative mass of the size of the body. For example, the moon is about 1/5 the size of your planet correct?

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: so the gravity is one fifth.

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: whereas if you look at somewhere much larger, let us take one of our favorite heavenly bodies Tia…..I mean Jupiter, and have a look at it, at the core the gravity is so intense that if you were to go to the core you would be about half an inch thick and about 8 miles wide. Or even less than half an inch, you see?

Marilynn: I think I do understand as best I could.

Kiri: okay…..it’s a little tricky, it’s little tricky. Don’t underestimate yourself, you’re actually extremely smart and you know that.

Russ: time would have a funny thing to do with the fifth dimension.

Kiri: how do you mean?

Russ: well, because the fourth dimension would intrude on the fifth dimension at some point.

Kiri: well doesn’t the second dimension also intrude on the third?

Russ: right so time interacting on the fifth dimension would probably screw up your time perception as bad as your distance and directional sense.

Kiri: not as much as you think.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: does time affect the third dimension?

Russ: absolutely.

Kiri: in the normal, linear line that you are used to correct?

Russ: correct.

Kiri: and it does in the same way in the fifth, time does pass. It doesn’t pass any more rapidly or any more slowly but it is slightly different.

Russ: hmm, okay and then again it’s slightly different in the sixth.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so your perception of time is different from our perception of time.

Kiri: yes. The fact that, to use one of Skip’s phrases, I am a snot nosed kid is quite true even though Skip and myself are only I think six months to a year younger than Skip?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: in my time, I’m a snot nosed kid, I can live up to a thousand years old.

Russ: well that’s pretty young for most people in the higher dimensions.

Kiri: uh-huh.