(Tia gives one of her best dissertations on the various levels of astral travel and the levels of astral travelers. Starting with dream travel, she go through each level to the one where you visit the Dalai Lama. It is during this session where D-jumping is explained in more detail and that advanced astral travel does come with some accepted risk.) 

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Tia: okay, astral travel.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, let us look closely at the various types of astral travel. There is dream travel, which is the most common of all types of astral travel. Most people at some time in their life experience astral travel in a dream form. There is the second type, involuntary astral travel. This occurs when somebody is not feeling at their peak and they wish to escape whatever ailment that they have. And sometimes whilst lying in certain environments, for example a warm sunny area that is comfortable, they will feel their body floating up above their physical body and this is the second type of astral travel as I said, involuntary astral travel. Okay, the third type of astral travel is.....would be better to call it more along the lines of remote viewing. This is where you almost leave your body and yet you're still connected and you stretch out over a long distance or a short distance even and you are able to view what you are looking at but yet also hear the noises from the surrounding area of your physical body. You can also answer questions in this state. This state is quite easy because all's you do is achieve a meditational state where you are still conscious but yet you are also disconnected from your physical body. Okay, the fourth type of astral travel is where you actually, physically leave your body. You are aware of your body, you are aware of noises but they are more remote and distant like a noise coming from a great distance. This is one of the more harder types of astral travel to do because it involves consciously programming your destination on where you wish to go whilst still leaving your body and being aware of your body. This is the type of astral travel that novices use. As I said, it is one of the more difficult types but it is also quite easy to do because it is a programmed thought process that you go through whilst meditating. Okay the next type of astral travel or astral travel type five is where you physically leave your body in the astral form, you are no longer conscious of your body, it no longer matters. This normally comes after a lot of practice and experience as an astral traveler. I myself use this method. This method involves shutting down all unnecessary functions of the body which also includes hearing, taste, smell and touch. You are no longer aware of your surroundings. You are free to astral travel to wherever you wish as far as your stamina will take you. Finally, type six astral travel. This is where you travel as I described in type five but you also manipulate not only the third dimension so you can travel but the fourth dimension and other dimensions. This is one the most hardest types of astral travel to do. Now of these various categories, there are sub-types. Involuntary dream travel, that is also very common. Voluntary astral travel in an involuntary status. What I mean by that is astral traveling and desiring to do so but achieving it without desire. There are also other numerous sub-types of astral travel as I have mentioned. These are just a few of the types of astral travel as opposed to the sub-types of astral travel. Now, there is another sub-type of astral travel which is where you are no longer conscious of your body, your body has been as you might say parked into a level of awareness where it is not aware of its physical surroundings. This again is a very hard type of astral travel that I'm about to describe and this is where you leave your body but you assume a physical form in the physical world but in the astral form. Sometimes you are actually visible to other people but more frequently you are not. Individuals that are trained astral travelers in this can also detect other astral travelers that are in this status. For example, the Dalai Lama, he can see those people that are astral traveling in that form or most forms come to that. There is another lama high up in the Himalayas that frequently has visitors from all over the world. Okay, now do you have questions Russell?

Russ: yeah, let's go it from the last part forward and that is first off, how do you train yourself to be able see other people astral projecting like the Dalai Lama and the other lama?

Tia: that comes from actually achieving their level of awareness that they are master astral travelers themselves and therefore they know what to look for, they know the feeling of somebody.

Russ: well for example, what about Mark? Would he he able to do the same thing?

Tia: I think if he thought about it and practiced, I mean he can sense me when I'm around.

Russ: yeah but he can't see you or hear you.

Tia: I don't think he desires to. It's just the fact that I'm bouncing around and nine times out of ten, I want to see what he's doing. For example, he could be washing the dishes.

Russ: hmmm, okay well what I'm thinking is that this is a very useful skill.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that would come in handy in emergencies or something else and would it be wise to pursue this at all?

Tia: for what purpose?

Russ: well for example, if you needed to warn somebody about something, I mean you and Mark wouldn'tmatter because you could just talk to him.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but like another astral traveler, the person would have to be good as Mark right?

Tia: yes.

Russ: we won't find that. Okay, the next question I've got is, what about the kind of astral travel which I believe goes into category five in which somebody is in an accident.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and they leave their body and have no sense of it?

Tia: no that comes under involuntary astral travel. It is one of the sub-types.

Russ: that they wish to be gone from their body.

Tia: yes it is a trauma induced astral travel.

Russ: okay, then what about when somebody's working with fasting or something?

Tia: again, that is a trauma induced astral travel because your body no longer has the necessary sugar levels or iron levels or any of the particular levels that it is used to, it is induced into an astral travel state.

Russ: hmmm. Okay, I can see where that would be more harmful then.

Tia: that's correct, it is a trauma induced astral travel.

Russ: right.

Tia: trauma to me is a big wide field. I bite Mark's finger, guess what I've just done?

Russ: what?

Tia: I've induced trauma to it.

Russ: oh I see.

Tia: I stand up, I throw Mark's body down on the ground, I break a leg, I've induced trauma. Or I accidentally step on a piece of metal and it penetrates the skin and there is a little pinprick of blood that comes out, I've induced trauma. It is a big wide area for me. I know trauma is most frequently associated with some kind of massive accident.

Russ: right. Okay, when a person wishes to appear somewhere else in the physical form, this is known as D-jumping correct?

Tia: kind of, kind of. D-jumping is where you actually strip down your whole entire physical third dimensional being, bones, blood, all the way down to the molecular level and then you translate it to somewhere else.

Russ: okay.

Tia: you translate it and rotate it to a different point of origin or goal.

Russ: ahh I see.

Tia: like a teleport. Are you going to put down when I talk about trauma the fact that I actually bite Mark's finger and pull off a piece of skin?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: okay.

Russ: I'll put it in parentheses.

Tia: yeah, but getting back to D-jumping, D-jumping as I said is like teleporting, that you take down your physical form, break it down to a molecular level and then relocate it elsewhere.

Russ: now a lot of people find that there is something inherently scary about astral travel in the fact that you have the possibility of leaving your body behind. I've heard this before......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: where they're worried they might not be able to come back or they can get sick from it or they can be possessed, how do you answer these questions?

Tia: I answer them by saying they are all possible. However, the chances of your body being possessed depends on where and how far advanced you are in astral travel. Most possessions occur with a experienced astral traveler but yet has become lax, has got himself involved or herself involved in things that are best not to be involved in therefore their body becomes a gateway. Getting lost from one's body, yes that can happen and that normally happens to novice astral travelers but it is not a permanent condition. They may lose their body and can't figure out how to get back and by wandering around, they will find their body or they will find somebody that guides them back. As somebody that may possess, there are also people that protect and will guide astral forms back to their point of origin. What was the last question?

Russ: sicken and die.

Tia: sicken and die, again it is possible to pick up sicknesses but this is because the astral traveler does not take care of their body in advance and this is easily remedied by getting enough sleep, eating the correct diets and taking precautions before and after. Some of the precautions that are useful to take before for a novice astral traveler is maybe a shower, a warm shower so that your body is perfectly clean and again when you return, you would wash your body to wash all the negative energy that you might've picked up away. Also being totally relaxed and totally energized. If you have a low level of energy, you are certainly going to lower your immune levels and astral traveling does drain the physical body as well as the astral body of energy. If you reach a point where you are very low on energy and you're astral traveling, it lowers your immune system in your physical body and again you can pick up ailments. But this can be cured as I said quite easily by getting the correct amount of sleep, showering, eating correctly and behaving in a way that induces a relaxed status and yet helps to energize the body.

Russ: hmm okay. Now is there anything that you should do concerning the use of shields in your practice of astral travel?

Tia: not really to start off with, once you get into the higher levels of astral travel, then shielding does play a part in your physical......no, your astral form. Let me explain the levels of astral travel. There is obviously novice, very little experience on astral travel. Adept, which has some experience and tends to astral travel in a localized area of up to about 300 miles. Adept, somebody that is quite experienced in astral travel and can travel maybe a 1,000, 2,000 mile radius in astral travel. Master, this is somebody that can astral travel and go explanatory but not very far, maybe as far as your moon. Also they have lots of stamina and are quite experienced at astral traveling. Normally this comes after about five years. Grand Master. These are the bad asses of the astral travel world and I mean that in a positive way. They are like, how would you describe it? They're good. They can go explanatory, distance to them starts to become irrelevant. Two, three light years, that's like getting up and walking across the room for them. 10, 20 light years, that's like walking down to the end of the street. 50, a hundred light years, now we're getting into this serious range of them, they do that on a regular basis or can do it on a regular basis. They can also, some of them who are border point to the next level actually transpose to different dimensions. Okay, the last level, Paramount Grand Masters. These are the elite, the best and I estimate that there's probably no more than maybe 50 on your whole entire planet if that many and I have just been corrected, it is more like a dozen on your planet and these are the real heavy dudes. Very serious, distance totally irrelevant. Walk across the galaxy, no problem. Walk to the next next galaxy, no problem. To the next galaxy, now you're starting to stretch a little bit but they can do it. They can dimension jump to different dimensions. Fourth, fifth, sixth dimension is a bit of a workout for them but it doesn't present too much of a problem. These are the individuals that have a 50 to 60% chance of ascending to the next level in evolution. These are the individuals that can be a little bit on the strange side. They can be very cranky, they can be very arrogant, they can be very nice, very mellow, very relaxed, very helpful, very protective all at same time almost. This is because they are developing to a higher level. 

(one of the house cats interrupts the session) 

Tia: she wants to know where her cubs are. These Paramount Grand Masters are the individuals that as I said can be very protective. Not only of themselves but of their knowledge and the people around them. They are capable of all levels of astral travel. From remote viewing, to dimension jumping, to traveling great distances, they also have a lot of curiosity.

Russ: hmm, are there any that we would know from public life like for example the Dalai Lama?

Tia: yes.

Russ: he would be one?

Tia: he is a border point Paramount Grand Master or he could be a Grand Master.

Russ: okay but we don't know any Paramount Grand Master's in the public life?

Tia: no.

Russ: and they stay to themselves. I mean what kind of life would they be living? Austere and away from everybody?

Tia: eccentric.

Russ: oh eccentric.

Tia: uh-hmm. You see Mark is almost a Paramount Grand Master.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: almost.

Russ: yeah, his distance still needs some work.

Tia: uh-huh. But also the other part of a Paramount Grand Master is the speed of thought. They can travel to anywhere, anytime, anyplace just by thinking about it. Closing their eyes, sit down, relax, think of where they want to go, bang! They're there.

Russ: and what about their body here?

Tia: their body here works fine on its own.

Russ: okay. Now another question I have is, for a Grand Master or Paramount Grand Master or even a Master....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what about when they're doing long-distance trips or any trip of any duration whatsoever. Does their body......is it able to rejuvenate while they are out of it?

Tia: no.

Russ: so they live a shorter lifetime then?

Tia: not necessarily, not necessarily, some of them inherently have a long life expectancy.

Russ: yes but if their body's not rejuvenating itself and let's say they're not taking really good care of it?

Tia: normally, if they're not taking real good care of themselves, they do burn incredibly bright.

Russ: okay. So just for a warning for people to keep their health a priority.

Tia: yeah or at least to keep active enough to keep their body ticking along nicely.

Russ: ahh, excellent. Okay well that should do it for now then.

Tia: okay.

(says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Russ: bye love.

(says something else in Durondedunn)