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                 (Omal uses the killings at
                      Columbine high school earlier that day as an
                      example of the declining morals of society hence
                      the need to encourage a high moral standard for
                      any child being raised. It's a subject made even
                      more relevant in today's examples of mass
                      shootings.)
 
 
 Omal:
                                            okay, do we pick a topic or
                                            do we discuss things at
                                            random?
 
 Russ: well one thing I
                                            wanted to work on a little
                                            bit was the shooting that
                                            did happen in the suburbs of
                                            Denver and the ability of
                                            people to snap. Whereas, as
                                            Kiri was saying, there’s a
                                            point where the moral base
                                            that people work from in the
                                            past has been stronger than
                                            it has been now
                                            apparently…..
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: and the ability to
                                            snap and just lose it all in
                                            a moment or even pre-plan it
                                            for days or a week seems to
                                            have gotten less and less.
 
 Omal: yes?
 
 Russ: is as she was saying
                                            it is a sign of the times,
                                            was it media related
                                            perhaps?
 
 Omal: perhaps yes, it is
                                            definitely the moral issue
                                            that life has become cheap,
                                            that you do see as Kiri put
                                            it so much death and
                                            destruction on your
                                            entertainment devices. It
                                            has become popular
                                            entertainment to watch
                                            people being maimed and
                                            killed whether it is in a
                                            pseudo-entertainment world
                                            or in actual fact on your
                                            news services.
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: pick a movie.
 
 Russ: "Groundhog Day".
 
 Omal: is there somebody
                                            killed in that?
 
 Russ: many times.
 
 Omal: correct.
 
 Skip: yes, yes, yes.
 
 Omal: pick another one.
 
 Russ: "Fantasia"?
 
 Omal: are there people being
                                            killed in that?
 
 Russ: yeah, absolutely.
 
 Skip: in what?
 
 Russ: "Fantasia", from
                                            Disney.
 
 Omal: I am not familiar with
                                            "Fantasia" nor was I
                                            familiar with "Groundhog
                                            Day". Okay let’s pick
                                            another one.
 
 Russ: go ahead Skip.
 
 Skip: you mean violent ones?
 
 Omal: any.
 
 Russ: no just anything.
 
 Skip: well even the cartoons
                                            that the kids watch which
                                            are what, five minutes of
                                            cartoons or ten minutes?
                                            They’re beating up on each
                                            other, they’re killing each
                                            other and everything else.
 
 Omal: so therefore it is a
                                            part of society accepted,
                                            most people until recently
                                            it seems to me were aware
                                            that that was for
                                            entertainment and it was not
                                            real. Now the lines have
                                            become blurred because of
                                            your news media showing
                                            people getting shot, blown
                                            up, running out of houses on
                                            fire, bombs being dropped,
                                            being shot on beaches, being
                                            shot at vacation resorts, at
                                            high schools, at colleges,
                                            at universities and they
                                            hear all the gory details
                                            and see all the gory details
                                            that they become numb to it
                                            so therefore it loses its
                                            value as life.
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: so it is definitely a
                                            sign of the times, whether
                                            or not it is a sign of an
                                            end or a beginning is
                                            unknown.
 
 Skip: yeah that’s the
                                            media’s fault.
 
 Omal: I wouldn’t say just
                                            the media, I would say it's
                                            people in general being
                                            prepared to sit down and see
                                            these events as it happens.
                                            It is a negative side of the
                                            technology communication
                                            revolution.......
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: the fact that the
                                            morals seem to have gone by
                                            the wayside.
 
 Russ: hmm.
 
 Skip: yeah they have.
 
 Russ: interesting. In
                                            dealing with it then, an
                                            individual’s morals are what
                                            are really important for now
                                            and to pass those onto
                                            others that you deal with.
 
 Omal: correct.
 
 Skip: but they’re not being
                                            passed on, that’s the
                                            problem.
 
 Russ: well you and I and
                                            Mark, we pass our morals on.
 
 Skip: okay, present company
                                            excepted…..
 
 Russ: right.
 
 Skip: but the young people
                                            growing up, their folks
                                            aren’t teaching them the
                                            morals like we were taught.
 
 Russ: hmm. Omal is this
                                            maybe a problem of single
                                            families, or single-parent
                                            families perhaps?
 
 Skip: no not really, even
                                            double-parent
                                            families……single-parent
                                            families it used to be that
                                            you didn’t, you didn’t live
                                            with another person unless
                                            you were married, now it’s
                                            an accepted thing for two
                                            people to live together
                                            period.
 
 Omal: Skip is quite correct.
 
 Russ: uh-huh
 
 Skip: and that’s the
                                            beginning of your breakdown
                                            of your morals right there,
                                            that’s the start of it. And
                                            using vulgar or cursing
                                            language, there’s another
                                            problem.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Skip: the parents use it,
                                            the kids use it and it's
                                            accepted all over even the
                                            films and movies and it is
                                            using the vulgar language
                                            which if we used vulgar
                                            language when I was a kid
                                            you get your mouth washed
                                            out with soap.
 
 Russ: yeah I threatened one
                                            of my kids that was playing
                                            games tonight with that so
                                            I’m seeing it more and more.
 
 (from an incident at the
                                            cyber cafe I co-owned at the
                                            time)
 
 Skip: yeah you're seeing it
                                            all the time and even in
                                            feature films that are
                                            entertainment, the people
                                            are using foul language.
                                            They use four letter words
                                            like they’re running out of
                                            style.
 
 Omal: again Skip is quite
                                            correct, it is something
                                            that can be changed. If you
                                            start at an early age that
                                            you do not use curse words,
                                            foul or abusive language,
                                            especially around a child
                                            and an infant, therefore it
                                            teaches even at an early age
                                            that it is wrong. And if you
                                            explain later to a child
                                            that the reason that the
                                            child mustn't use the
                                            language even at school with
                                            the companions of the child
                                            is because the child by not
                                            falling in with those word
                                            structures becomes superior,
                                            becomes morally better,
                                            becomes educationally
                                            better, is looked upon with
                                            more respect. At first it
                                            will be looked upon as the
                                            child is a wimp but if the
                                            child holds to the patterns
                                            laid down by the parent or
                                            parents, then the child
                                            becomes morally better and
                                            in later life looked upon
                                            and respected as long as the
                                            child also acts with
                                            strength. And if the child
                                            is instructed in a way that
                                            uses the child’s mind, that
                                            it can resort to
                                            name-calling so the other
                                            children do not understand
                                            that they're being
                                            name-called increases a
                                            child’s intellect and also
                                            makes a child realize that
                                            it can help its friends in
                                            the same way. One drop of
                                            water can be the drop of
                                            water that overflows the
                                            bucket.
 
 Russ: hmmm.
 
 Omal: or fills the vessel to
                                            full, whatever you wish to
                                            phrase it as but it is
                                            important from the get-go
                                            that there is no foul or
                                            abusive language. Continue.
 
 Skip: what I keep running
                                            into and it’s not my
                                            generation but the
                                            generation that Mark and
                                            Russ are more or less in
                                            which would be what? Two
                                            generations behind me?
 
 Russ: more or less.
 
 Skip: yeah………..is even the
                                            ladies that have children
                                            are using foul and abusive
                                            language even around their
                                            children.
 
 Omal: which is totally wrong
                                            and unacceptable.
 
 Skip: but everybody, I say
                                            everybody, I’m using
                                            terminology of what I’ve run
                                            into accepts it and by
                                            accepting it they're tearing
                                            up their own morals, their
                                            own loyalty, their
                                            own……..when I was a kid
                                            patriotism and loyalty was
                                            something that made you glow
                                            from the inside but there
                                            isn’t any of that left
                                            anymore. The same with
                                            journeyman doing their job,
                                            there’s no craftsmanship
                                            left anymore or it seems not
                                            to be okay? In my own
                                            personal looking at things,
                                            we’ve gotten to a point of
                                            where they’ve made this a
                                            throwaway world.
 
 Omal: you again are very
                                            correct, it is definitely
                                            changing. Whether it is
                                            changing for the better or
                                            for the worse is something
                                            that is yet to be seen but,
                                            it is definitely the pangs
                                            of a society that is
                                            changing. Whether or not
                                            there will be a few voices
                                            in the wilderness such as
                                            yourselves that say, “stop,
                                            this is enough, it must
                                            change.” The old ways were
                                            probably correct, the new
                                            ways are probably incorrect
                                            or correct depending on your
                                            point of view…..
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: but blending the two
                                            together. Certainly having a
                                            higher technology but having
                                            the intelligence to use the
                                            technology in such a way
                                            that it benefits all and
                                            lays a moral pathway that is
                                            beneficial for all.
 
 Russ: well Skip brings up a
                                            good point on the question
                                            of patriotism. It seems now
                                            with the advanced
                                            communication abilities of
                                            both the media and the
                                            Internet, patriotism seems
                                            to have fallen by the
                                            wayside and we seem to be on
                                            that road. Now the question
                                            I have is again as you
                                            mentioned is it for the good
                                            or for the bad? Now one
                                            would say yes it’s for the
                                            good because patriotism
                                            brings a good sense of unity
                                            to the country you’re in but
                                            at the same time our efforts
                                            to change to a more world
                                            united planet would seem be
                                            pushing in the direction
                                            that says well maybe
                                            patriotism toward a species
                                            as us being humans or a
                                            species being involved with
                                            living on one planet might
                                            be important for the future
                                            also?
 
 Omal: yes but also……..sorry,
                                            continue.
 
 Skip: but what’s happening
                                            here is that’s not
                                            happening, people are losing
                                            patriotism in their country
                                            or their ethnic background
                                            or their religion or
                                            whatever or their country
                                            but they’re not replacing it
                                            with the patriotism of
                                            earthlings or humans or
                                            whatever. It’s not being
                                            replaced, it’s just being
                                            thrown away.
 
 Omal: again Skip is very
                                            correct, you’re doing very
                                            well tonight as well I might
                                            add.
 
 Skip: thank you.
 
 Omal: I believe it was Kiri
                                            that was discussing pride in
                                            one’s ethnic group.
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: I believe it was in
                                            connection with the comment
                                            of aren’t you earthlings
                                            after all? And Kiri
                                            said……her answer was, "well
                                            I am Sirian first but I’m
                                            also from the highlands
                                            second". It is good to have
                                            pride in your ethnic
                                            heritage…..
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: in your ethnic group.
                                            So it would be equally wise
                                            and sensible to have pride
                                            in the fact of first of all
                                            you’re human but secondly
                                            you’re Americans…..
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: and thirdly, you are
                                            of Native American descent
                                            or Polish descent or German
                                            descent or Irish or all of
                                            the above but you are
                                            Americans secondly and
                                            humans first.
 
 Russ: no one seems to be
                                            pushing that end of it
                                            though you’re right, no
                                            one’s replacing it with
                                            anything.
 
 Skip: that’s it exactly.
 
 Russ: I think something
                                            should be done, maybe we
                                            should replace it with
                                            something.
 
 Omal: maybe the talk here
                                            now should be turned into
                                            action. Don’t forget, you
                                            may be the little drops that
                                            are prelude to the storm,
                                            the shower, the rain cloud
                                            burst.
 
 Russ: I absolutely agree,
                                            sure.
 
 Skip: I understand.
 
 Russ: I mean what we have at
                                            tools available, quite easy
                                            to do actually. It'd take a
                                            long time to get going but
                                            time is all we have left.
 
 Skip: well…..
 
 Russ: lessons to be learned,
                                            it’s a good lesson.
 
 Skip: hmm.
 
 
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