(Kiri explains what coercion is and uses Mark as an example of someone who is a natural coercer to show how even the presence of a coercer can be felt. We lightly touch on the morals of using coercion and she provides some excellent examples of why she finds the need to use the skill.) 

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Kiri: .......control somebody by their mind.

john: okay, thank you.

Kiri: I can control people by my thought, such as......

John: can you control me?

Kiri: if I put my mind to it, yes.

Russ: don't ask for a demonstration.

John: well no, I won't ask for a demonstration.

Kiri: good, good.

Russ: it's been demonstrated to my satisfaction.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it's too much work on Mark's body try to stress it out again.

John: but that is the definition of coercion?

Kiri: yes, it's being able to manipulate somebody to your will.

John: okay and in this learning, I'm going to be taught how to practice this or.....?

Kiri: to protect yourself from it. We will see if you have the aptitude to be coercer or if not, we will teach you how to defend yourself against it. However there are individuals around that have incredible coercive ability just with their voice alone. I'm working on that. I'm not very good at it but I'm working on it.

John: yeah I'm very interested in being able to not do it but not to, I'd rather have it not to be accepted, you know what I mean?

Kiri: yeah...

John: not to be done to me.

Kiri: yeah, Mark is quite a strong coercer by earth standards. Have you ever noticed that sometimes he'll walk into a room and you'll have your back to him and suddenly you'll turn around and look at him?

John: yes.

Kiri: or the feeling that he's in the room and you didn't even hear him come in, that's because of Mark's coercive aura. If he wants your attention, instead of saying, going...(clears her throat), he would just get you to turn around and not be startled or anything.

John: so it's a sense of sensing his presence before I physically see him?

Kiri: yes but he's already in the room and you get the feeling that Mark's in the room and you have to turn around and talk to him.

John: yeah I gotta jump on coercion. Yeah, yeah I mean I know when Mark pulls in the driveway.

Kiri: yeah, I mean it's his presence that he does have, he's not as good as I am and he's got a long way to be as good as I am, but certainly he does have talent.

John: okay Russ has got some important questions.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how in the use of coercion do you manage to negate the fact that you feel like you're using someone?

Kiri: it's normally to speed up things, to expedite matters or to protect them.

Russ: well it still goes back to the spirit of the question again.

Kiri: how do you feel.....

Russ: it's a moral issue.

Kiri: it's something that you have to get used to. Is it moral to see somebody doing something that's going to harm them and not do anything about it or is it morally wrong to stop them from doing that?

Russ: that's the question, are you speeding up their growth or are you stunting their growth?

Kiri: umm...it depends on the situation. It's something that you have to deal with yourself.

Russ: you deal with it every day sweetheart, how do you deal with it?

Kiri: our deal with it is that it's a necessary tool to speed up communication, it's a necessary tool to protect people from themselves, I do not use it when I'm in the lovemaking mode although I can use it if I'm already making love to heighten somebody's senses which is mutually pleasurable and acceptable.

Russ: how about when you zapped Leonedies?

Kiri: that is teaching him. It is also helping him to understand that there are certain things that he's not allowed to do.

John: can I jump in real quick here?

Kiri: uh-hmm.

John: how can Russ and I, being communicators and healers.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: how can we use coercion....am I pronouncing it correctly?

Kiri: yeah, uh-hmm.

John: how can we use that where we don't abuse it but use it to our spiritual growth and to people that we interact with? I mean how can we use this........and I mean this knowledge is very profound and very important to me, how can we use it on our third dimensional basis dealing with egos and everything just our lives? How can we use this tool and use it correctly without abusing it?