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                 (Coercion requires
                      some responsibility over its use so Kiri explains
                      the rights and wrongs of when and when not to
                      coerce. Taking someone with alcohol as a problem
                      as an example, she goes over the proper reasoning
                      to use the skill.)
 
 
 Kiri:
                                          okay, I have my whip and my
                                          tall hat and my cuffs so
                                          without further ado.......oh
                                          I'm also am a coercer.
 
 Laura: pardon?
 
 Kiri: a coercer.
 
 Laura: okay.
 
 Kiri: which means that I can
                                          control other people by my
                                          mind.
 
 Laura: that could be useful.
 
 Kiri: oh it's very useful but
                                          we have very strict moral
                                          rules which let's go into just
                                          for the fun of it. Okay the
                                          rule one of coercion, never
                                          for personal gain. Rule two,
                                          always remember rule one. Rule
                                          three, remember rule one and
                                          two. Okay seriously, rule
                                          three is always weigh the odds
                                          first. That's important
                                          because if you make a decision
                                          and it's a wrong decision, you
                                          obviously haven't weighed the
                                          odds properly and part of the
                                          purpose of coercion is to be
                                          able to get people to do what
                                          you think is correct or what
                                          you know to be correct.
                                          Distinguishing what is right
                                          and correct from what is wrong
                                          and incorrect is very
                                          important so a coercer has to
                                          have the ability to be able to
                                          figure out what is right for
                                          somebody else because what
                                          maybe right for me, may not be
                                          right for you. So being able
                                          to put myself in quote unquote
                                          your shoes is very important.
                                          For example, let us take a
                                          situation, a hypothetical
                                          situation. Let's say that you
                                          like to imbibe in alcohol
                                          right? And it's doing you
                                          harm. Okay if I coerce you out
                                          of it and coerce you to stop
                                          drinking alcohol, it may make
                                          you turn to something else
                                          which may be much harsher and
                                          harder. So in actual fact the
                                          thing to do would be to coerce
                                          you to make you realize that
                                          the alcohol is bad and
                                          therefore to let you make your
                                          own choice whether or not to
                                          quit knowing that it is now
                                          wrong and doing you harm and
                                          that you really should give it
                                          up whereas prior to that, you
                                          didn't have the, I wouldn't
                                          say the belief that it was
                                          doing you harm but the desire
                                          or all the information. The,
                                          "it can't happen to me" kind
                                          of behavioral pattern. Or, "It
                                          won't happen to me, I'll quit
                                          before it happens to me". So
                                          by giving you that nudge,
                                          gives you the opportunity to
                                          look at things and say, "okay,
                                          so I'm drinking too much,
                                          maybe I should quit." As
                                          opposed to going out and
                                          coercing you never to drink
                                          again without any explanation,
                                          you've got to do the footwork
                                          yourself so that you do part
                                          of the learning pattern.
 
 Laura: that makes sense.
 
 Kiri: uh-huh.
 
 
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