(Kiri gives a dissertation on the dangers of coercing someone to a point where it generates adrenaline overload. She gets in to a very detailed talk about adrenaline and its use. She also gives an impromptu demonstration of coercing a kitten and a morals explanation.) 

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Kiri: okay, let us address a topic near and dear to my heart.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: coercion.

Russ: good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we haven't done coercion in a while.

Kiri: okay, coercion by design. Okay let us take a little something. Okay you have a group of felines all sitting around and there's one cute little feline....I was listening. And you want that feline to come. The trick is to make eye contact, eye to eye. You look into its eyes and it looks into yours, to make the appropriate thoughts and actions friendly and open. Now you have to understand a little bit of the mentality of the feline and the fact that it doesn't trust anybody because its mother doesn't trust anybody. It wants to, it's inquisitive, it will come up and sniff you, it will overcome so you have to use an incentive to achieve the goal. And by interacting in a positive mental thought pattern, you can cause the feline to come. It may not come all the way up because the anxiety is there within the feline that it doesn't trust anybody except for its mother. So it overrides the call from your mind to come to you. The fear and the adrenaline takes over and it runs. Now adrenaline and dealing with adrenaline rushes, leading up to this, is something that can be harmful both to the coercer and the coercee. Okay now, coercion has to be done carefully as I've stated frequently in the past. What transpires is that you are giving commands to the person that has to override their thoughts and their behaviors. Now it has to be done subtly but let us say that you coerce a little heavy-handed and the person is totally within your control, they have no free will and you have them like a puppet on the string and a situation occurs that causes you to fear for their safety or your own safety. Let us say you're coercing somebody to get somewhere in a hurry and you're sitting in the passenger seat and you've got them doing the foot to the metal routine. And they're going as fast as they can through through traffic and all of a sudden the light turns red and they almost smash into the back of a vehicle. You have adrenaline overload because the situation that you put yourself in by coercing them has endangered your life and their life. You lose control of their mind and suddenly they have free will of their own and they suffer from fear going, "oh my God, what happened? Why was I driving so fast, I almost killed us?" And they do the whole entire guilt trip but because you were coercing them and you know what they're probably thinking, it flashes back on you even worse. So when you coerce and you coerce in a way that endangers, you're opening yourself up to all sorts of harmful possibilities to do with adrenaline overload and all the harmful effects that adrenaline overloads can do. The thing about adrenaline is that it sits around in the body for months on end, you never need it and all of a sudden you need it and it's old and it's stale and it tastes funny and it makes you feel sick. Don't like adrenaline overloads. Now, if you put somebody in a situation and you're coercing them and you're not concerned about their safety and you've got no report with them and they suffer with an adrenaline overload without you going through the adrenaline overload that you haven't put yourself in the situation, you've put them in the situation but you've got nothing to do with it except for your coercing. That sounds a little convoluted and complicated doesn't it?

Russ: I wouldn't type it.

Kiri: but anyway, putting the person in the situation where the adrenaline overload occurs for them only, it doesn't because an adrenaline overload will sever the connection. Now depending on how tight the connection is depends on how well you're controlling the person. Now the break in the connection with an adrenaline overload means that 50% of their adrenaline goes flying into your body triggering your own adrenaline which makes the fact that instead of having a 100% adrenaline that is being released, you're having a 150% adrenaline. So, what's the moral of this little dissertation? Well, it's don't put somebody in an adrenaline overload situation that could happen, it's not good. Unfortunately sometimes you have to. You have to coerce somebody that is very well suited to do something, a particular task that they don't want to do but it's for the benefit of themselves and other people and yourselves. Okay, any questions?

Russ: I have one that is unrelated to that, well it's related but in a different field, it's a healing question.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: I'm not sure if you can answer it.

Kiri: but first of all Ann, do you have a question?

Ann: no.

Kiri: okay.

Ann: not right now thank you.

Russ: yeah, she shook her head no so that's why I was asking.

Kiri: sorry, I was more concerned with getting liquid down Mark's throat as it sounds like he's been gargling with glass again.

Russ: the adrenaline overload caused by the stale adrenaline.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: is it a little bit healthier then to release that adrenaline in some safe format than letting it just build up like that?

Kiri: it's always useful to use adrenaline. After all, sitting around in the body for months on end festering isn't good is it?

Ann: how can you use it?

Russ: yeah that's what I'm saying. Because I'm......

Kiri: oh how can you use it?

Russ: in my working two jobs right now, I'm not really using a lot of adrenaline.

Ann: yeah.

Kiri: you think so?

Russ: not a lot that I can think of.

Kiri: adrenaline comes in many, many different forms and can be released in many, many different ways. Being a coercer and having to learn about adrenaline overloads, you learn a little bit about the biology of adrenaline.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: it can come in the excitement of a new project. You're building a new program or a new computer for somebody that you've never built before. You're a little apprehensive and a little nervous but there again you're also looking forward to it correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: adrenaline's being released just little bit, a little at a time to keep the excitement there. Also, looking forward to doing something for the first time or doing something that you like to do......could take my favorite past time but but no, that would be too long-winded (Ann chuckles). The release of adrenaline comes in many different ways. It can be released in the anticipation of something, waiting for something, something suddenly happening. It can even be released through laughter. Laughing uproariously will trigger adrenaline to be released and adrenaline causes the heart to beat faster. So you see, adrenaline can be released in many, many different ways.

Russ: I see. So you could set up some daily thing that you could do that would release a lot of it at once or just those little things all day will release the same amount then?

Kiri: it's better to be little bits at a time because supposing you need a big adrenaline rush?

Russ: it won't be there.

Kiri: exactly, it's been all used up but if you use a little bit here a little bit there, it's constantly replacing itself and refreshing itself. Has anybody ever had an experience of a sudden adrenaline rush followed by another adrenaline rush followed by another adrenaline rush?

Russ: oh yeah, all the time when I used to fish, it happened a lot.

Kiri: and what happened towards the end?

Russ: well you get pretty tired.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Ann: indeed.

Kiri: uh-huh and there is no more adrenaline left and therefore your reactions which are supposed to be heightened and sharpened by adrenaline are slowed down because there isn't any adrenaline.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: so to release it all at once is only a if you need to but a little at a time is the best way. And it doesn't have to be a daily thing. The joke about it sitting around and festering in your body is a joke, it's there for a reason and it is used to sitting around. Over thousands of years it has evolved in a way that it will survive not be used for months on end.

Russ: oh I see. Well thank you Kiri, that's a good way to answer that question.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent.

Ann: yeah, I agree.

Kiri: any questions?

Russ: I'm trying to think of something in the coercion department. Now, when you're working with someone in coercion, basically........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: let's say the cat there which we started off on as far as the adrenaline overload of the cat.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay you're in an essence of working through the adrenaline of that cat to get it to do what you'd like it to do.

Kiri: watch.

Russ: oh there's a kitten.

(Kiri then goes about proceeding to coerce the kitten)

Kiri: now she wouldn't have come into the room unless she was called. She's now sitting quite happily and comfortably. Do you want me to get her to come closer?

(Kiri then tries to get the kitten to come closer)

Kiri: no, she's having a real anxiety attack.

Russ: she's found her limit.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and she won't go beyond that limit because anything beyond that limit would push her adrenaline and her fear up another notch.

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh and it would scare the living daylights out of the cat and there could be the opportunity of flash over to me.

Russ: right.

Kiri: which in this situation would flash through me back into Mark's body. So I have not only the added responsibility of being responsible for the feline's adrenaline state, but also my own and Mark's.

Russ: hmm, a lot to be aware of and be responsible for.

Ann: uh-huh.

Kiri: so it is a big responsibility.

Russ: well she likes the company .

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I think.

Ann: uh-huh.

Russ: and the human contact which her mom doesn't........ it's not real loving, but at the same time she's real scared of that.

Ann: uh-huh.

Russ: but as you remember we had all three cats, Gandalf, Edmund and...

Kiri: uh-huh, see she's gone now.

Ann: uh-huh.

Kiri: I started calling her vocally.

Ann: uh-huh.

Kiri: doing the cat thing and lost the coercive link. She's just outside, she'll come back in but it will give her the feeling of welcome now that she will do it more, that she will come in and hopefully it will set things in motion that will give the feline the opportunity to interact more and get more affection in return. When editing this, you might want to put in what transpired.

Russ: right.

Kiri: the feline........

Russ: the wild kitty comes closer kind of thing.

Kiri: uh-huh yeah. Should be an easy recollection thing.

Ann: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah. Long blank spot on the tape.

Kiri: yeah, long blank spot is coercion of a feline. But there are certain rules that are necessary to obey in connection with coercion. Not endangering somebody, only for positive, never for self-gratification, never for self-advancement however, there are certain little clauses. For example, personal advancement. Let us say, and I do love this analogy, that you're going for a job and you have two children and you need that job and you go there and you're dressed up as best as you can and you really want the job. Is it right or wrong to coerce the person into giving you the job or considering you more over somebody else? Is it right or wrong?

Ann: if you have the right qualifications and stuff for the job it would be right.

Kiri: qualifications are irrelevant.

Ann: okay.

Kiri: from a moral standpoint.

Ann: if you're going to be able to get the job with....

Kiri: I see where you're coming.

Ann: yeah.

Kiri: yeah. You are correct in saying that it is the right thing to do. The way that I would answer it is that yes, it is right because you need the job to take care of your children. So you're not doing it for yourself even though you are benefiting initially by getting the job, your children are benefiting. And of course you'd want to do the best job that you can so that you can advance within the company and continue working at that job.

Ann: right.

Kiri: so your answer is yes correct and my answer is correct and it's actually putting those two answers together would be the correct answer.

Ann: okay.

Russ: (closes door) getting a little cold in here.

Kiri: oh, so I can't give any more demonstrations?

Russ: no, well we had the main demonstration which is all we really need.

Kiri: uh-huh. I do like to show off my coercion from time to time. Any questions? Okay, what do I do? I'm an engineer as you probably read in the bios and I also do coercion as you just witnessed.

Ann: uh-huh.

Kiri: those are my fields of expertise.