(Kiri gives an excellent dissertation on the morals of coercion with a solid argument on why to use it as well as the five questions to ask yourself before using coercion. At the heart of the negative and positive of its use we discover is what is done with coercion that determines the right or of its use.) 

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Kiri: okay, first of all, where were we? Let me see, what were we talking about? Coercion right?

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: okay, coercion and the necessary protocols to protect oneself from getting into trouble. Okay, one of the important things to remember and we harp on this many times is what is the golden rule? Never for....

Russ: personal gain.

Kiri: right but there are exceptions which we have covered in the past.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: one is if by using your skills let us say in a job interview so that you get the job which is paying you more money so that you can exist better and therefore support those people necessary to you as well, then that is a good use of coercion and you're using it it for personal gain. By defining personal gain we can lay out a framework that gives you an area that you can work in. For example, personal gain, what is the definition of personal gain? Anything that benefits yourself for yourself. So by using your coercive skills in a job interview to get that job that you need, it's not exactly benefiting just you is it?

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: it can be looked at another way. Supposing that you believe you are the best person for the job and the only person you have to support is yourself. You already have a current job but you're going for a better one. Now, is that right or wrong?

Russ: wrong.

Kiri: Skip?

Skip: I'd say it's right.

Kiri: okay first of all, let's see why Russ says it's wrong.

Russ: well due to the fact that you have the job you're in now.........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: by using coercion to get another one, you're actually affecting your fate and your course of your life.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: by using coercion do so.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you're changing for the better but it's for personal gain.

Kiri: Skip, why do you think that it's for good?

Skip: you mean why it's right?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because you're stepping yourself up in life which means you can help other people more.

Kiri: Skip's closer to the truth. Okay, for example, let us say that I go for a job as an engineer at a facility......let's say that I'm a third dimensional being and I have a strong coercive ability and I go for a job interview at an engineering firm that I want to work at that's going to pay me better and I use my coercion to get it. The way around it is by using your coercive skills and the fact that I'm one of the best engineers around, means that the company will benefit from use of my skills as an engineer which means that it's not for personal gain. You see?

Skip: in other words, you're helping them by helping yourself.

Kiri: that's correct. Now to define personal gain in more detail is something that is beneficial to only you. For example, let's say that I have the hots for a guy right? Again I'm a third dimensional being and I use my coercive skill to get the guy to sleep with me and to have sex with me.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: that's bad because I'm using my coercive skill at that point for personal gratification.

Russ: like you'd ever need to.

Kiri: that's besides the point, that is besides the point, I mean the listeners and readers don't know what I look like. I mean for all's they know, I could weigh 300 pounds, be five foot three.......

Russ: well we described you excellently and we put a picture even in there of you.

Kiri: yes I know but I'm saying, some of the first time readers might not know.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: but what I'm saying is that to use it for personal gain....let's say I am trying to buy a car right? Don't know why but I'm trying to buy a car and I use my coercive skills to get the best possible deal and in actual fact I get the vehicle for cost. Again that is using my coercive skills for a negative purpose. Or, I'm at a market and I'm haggling over the price of some kind of vegetable matter that I'm going to be eating. Again, that is negative, I am using it for a negative purpose. So the rules of coercion are very, very strict..

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and are laid out in such a way that it is very important to be able to grow spiritually by learning what I can and cannot do. Now there are some gray areas which I'm not going to go into at this time but we will cover that at a later time. Okay now, report time, Skip?

Skip: huh? I'm sorry, go ahead hon.

Kiri: okay, I want to hear your report.

Skip: oh, about my verbal coercion?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: well, I got my grandson to cut the lawn and water it.

Kiri: oh good and is he doing it on a regular basis now?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: good, good, good.

Skip: no, I have to keep after him.

Kiri: ahh, so you have to keep on coercing him.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: okay, we'll give you half a point for that. Okay, Russell the
Love Muscle.

Russ: now there's a certain ethical question I've got........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: about coercing people to give me more money.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and that comes from the fact that I'm increasing my personal gain.

Kiri: but that's not exclusively yours. What do you do with the increase in the personal gain? What purpose does it serve?

Russ: me.

Kiri: and?

Russ: oh and the cats.

Kiri: and the cats and......

Skip: doesn't it pay for the utilities and stuff in the building?

Kiri: and.

Russ: and what?

Kiri: well, what do you do with the money once you split it?

Russ: spend it.

Kiri: spend it, good and what does that do?

Russ: that buys me more stuff.

Kiri: which in turn does what?

Russ: well now let's clarify this, personal gain is being only to me?

Kiri: to you.

Russ: well nothing I make moneywise is only for me.

(Kiri claps)

Skip: there you go.

Kiri: you see?

Russ: so another words, I can coerce for any reason to get money?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: yeah as long as you are spending it to let others support themselves by giving you the products.

Kiri: now what you do with the money depends on whether it is good or bad, that is a moral issue, that is not a coercive issue. If you use it to go out and buy alcohol and you live in an alcoholic state of consciousness that's bad, that's a moral question, that's a health question.

Skip: or gamble it away.

Kiri: or gamble it away, that is a moral and a health question. If I'm playing cards and I'm bluffing a lot and I use my coercion to win money, that's negative.

Russ: what if you're using it to feed your family?

Kiri: if I'm using it to feed a family, that becomes a gray area. It depends on is there another way for me to make a fiscal income.

Skip: hmm. See you're smart enough you don't have to do that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I don't do that.

Skip: and I don't do it.

Kiri: so you see that the moral issues and ground works are something that are very important to coercion. Being able to decide for yourself with a good, strong moral upbringing on what is good and what is bad. I mean we've laid out a basic framework to work within to add things on. A lot of the lessons that you learn with coercion and especially the lessons that I've set you up to learn teaches you what is good and bad. You Russ have a moral question of that you were only benefiting yourself. By analyzing it and looking at it, what have we learned?

Russ: it's benefiting others.

Kiri: that's correct. And with Skip, we've learned the same thing. We didn't touch on it as lightly or as deeply, we only touched upon it lightly. If you want Skip we can go into it in more detail......

Skip: no that's enough.

Kiri: okay. So it is very important to have a good laid out groundwork for a coercive capability. Coercion in itself is neither good or bad, it's what you do with the coercion that makes it good or bad. As I said earlier, if I use it to coerce somebody for my own personal gratitude, then that becomes a negative purpose because I am manipulating somebody's free will to serve myself and myself only. But if I'm using it to create an income or to create goodwill or to create an opportunity for others, that is good. If I use it for self-advancement that serves no purpose apart from myself whether that is a new job interview or for a transportation device or to get income so that I can go and drink it away or gamble it away or sniff it away or smoke it away, then that is bad but that is a moral issue. It is something that is necessary to be laid out and looked at is the moral issues.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: I mean Tia with her strong moral upbringing is a very good person to give a good example of moral coercion. To use her morals which are very high and very strong is something that is very, very important to lay out for yourself if you're going to be a coercer. In coercing somebody, you have to ask yourself the moral questions of is it for personal gain, will it benefit them, will it benefit others, will it benefit myself, will they learn from it? These five questions are just the start of the kind of questions that you should ask yourself but you should already know the answers before you coerce. So the thing is to select a representative that is going to be the person that will be coerced but you're not going to actually coerce them because what you're going to do is think, "if I'm going to coerce them, do they meet these criteria?" And you have to lay down your own rules and regulations and criteria for coercion. The framework that we've given you is just a framework that you build upon and trial and error will be best suited to give you what works for you because not everybody is the same in coercion. Some are weaker, some are stronger, some have a different moral persuasion than others. So it is something that is very necessary to lay out for yourself........

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: within the frameworks that we've given. Of course we will augment and change and improve upon the framework as we look at how you progress with learning your coercive whether it is vocal coercion or mental coercion.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but you didn't answer the question Russ.

Russ: no, no success. I have plenty of ten hour blocks but the people already have them.

(at the internet café I ran)

Kiri: okay.

Russ: doesn't quite count.

Kiri: no.

Russ: now I did do some coercion last night.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: which was separate from the test.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but was very effective.

Kiri: so I hear.

Russ: and that was something on my spare time for extra credit.

Kiri: and that doesn't count in class unfortunately.

Russ: I know.

Kiri: it's not extracurricular activity. But, by using your coercion in a classroom environment even though the classroom happens to be at your shop, what are you learning? You're using your coercion in your free time for getting what is necessary to be done.

Russ: uh-huh.