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                 (Tia launches into a
                      long dissertation and discussion on what factors
                      are used to gauge the planet’s level of
                      well-being. Besides the stock market there is the
                      media who she says doesn’t do a good enough job
                      showing what aliens types are out in our galaxy.
                      To make her point she list all the ones we’re
                      familiar with and a bunch more that are rather
                      surprising.)
 
 
 Tia:
                                                  okay let us look at
                                                  the market’s current
                                                  entertainment.
 
 Russ: it went up 10
                                                  points today.
 
 Tia: 11 actually, not
                                                  very much.
 
 Russ: not very much.
 
 Tia: no, but the
                                                  NASDAQ did make
                                                  records. So the NASDAQ
                                                  set a new record, the
                                                  Dow dropped, overall
                                                  increase in shares did
                                                  occur but even though
                                                  the Dow did drop. As I
                                                  said in the past,
                                                  we’re using the Dow as
                                                  an indicator. There
                                                  are two other
                                                  indicators that we do
                                                  use, the Russell 500
                                                  and the NASDAQ
                                                  composites. So with
                                                  those we can analyze
                                                  much easier by using
                                                  three pointers. If you
                                                  wish to use a fourth
                                                  one, there's the
                                                  S&P that you can
                                                  also use but using
                                                  these pointers gives
                                                  you a good feel for
                                                  the pulse of the
                                                  economy. With these
                                                  pulses, you can see
                                                  what’s going on. If
                                                  two go up and two go
                                                  down, then yeah it’s
                                                  pretty stable. If
                                                  three go up and one go
                                                  down, it means that
                                                  it’s increasing and if
                                                  the opposite occurs,
                                                  three go down and one
                                                  goes up, again it’s
                                                  decreasing. If all
                                                  four go up, it’s going
                                                  up pretty fast. If all
                                                  four go down, then it
                                                  may be worth watching
                                                  what is going on and
                                                  seeing how the trends
                                                  are. Now there are
                                                  external trends to
                                                  watch, for example
                                                  gross national
                                                  product, consumer
                                                  confidence and
                                                  inflation. Again three
                                                  pointers worth
                                                  watching. With these
                                                  things like consumer
                                                  confidence, you can
                                                  see what’s happened in
                                                  the past and the
                                                  trends that are going.
                                                  With the gross
                                                  national product,
                                                  again you can see the
                                                  trends. See on what’s
                                                  happening and how
                                                  things are going.
                                                  Inflation, again
                                                  that’s a very good
                                                  thing to watch for.
                                                  It’s a handy tool to
                                                  use to direct. So, a
                                                  brief synopsis, the
                                                  market at the moment
                                                  is appearing to be
                                                  stabilizing but it is
                                                  worth watching to see
                                                  how fast things grow.
                                                  With things growing
                                                  rapidly, of course
                                                  there are always
                                                  downtrends and these
                                                  downtrends are worth
                                                  watching to see how
                                                  they continue. But at
                                                  the moment, with its
                                                  increases, it’s hay
                                                  time, to make hay, to
                                                  have money, to invest
                                                  if you feel that you
                                                  need to invest. But
                                                  what do you invest in?
                                                  Well there’s lots of
                                                  things that you can
                                                  invest in and my
                                                  recommendations are
                                                  just as good as
                                                  anybody else’s so
                                                  what’s the point of me
                                                  giving recommendations
                                                  that anybody can give
                                                  that knows a little
                                                  about the market. It’s
                                                  pointless, it’s like
                                                  an opinion, everybody
                                                  has one. Any questions
                                                  hon?
 
 Russ: yeah love,
                                                  you’re using Earth
                                                  economic factors to
                                                  determine things
                                                  like……excuse me for a
                                                  second…..to determine
                                                  things like changes in
                                                  our economy…..
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: and indicators
                                                  showing potential
                                                  changes that are
                                                  around the corner.
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: now what other
                                                  indicators are there
                                                  besides Earth
                                                  indicators that you
                                                  use?
 
 Tia: we use things
                                                  like the general
                                                  behavior of people. By
                                                  watching people and
                                                  the way that they
                                                  behave and how they
                                                  talk will give you an
                                                  indication on how they
                                                  are doing. If you talk
                                                  and observe enough
                                                  people, you can come
                                                  up with an opinion
                                                  that is external to
                                                  released figures that
                                                  are calculated by
                                                  governmental agencies,
                                                  business corporations
                                                  and so on. Which even
                                                  though they're pretty
                                                  accurate, they really
                                                  don’t know what’s
                                                  going on, they don’t
                                                  have their finger
                                                  totally on the pulse
                                                  of the community. So
                                                  what you want to do is
                                                  to look at how people
                                                  behave, how they
                                                  interact, how they
                                                  spend their money,
                                                  what they spend their
                                                  money on. If they’re
                                                  spending a lot of
                                                  money, if they’re not
                                                  spending a lot of
                                                  money. So you have to
                                                  look at how people
                                                  behave to see what is
                                                  actually going on.
 
 Russ: now is there a
                                                  growth phase in
                                                  consciousness to watch
                                                  for at the same time?
 
 Tia: hmmmm, yes and
                                                  no, it depends on the
                                                  social status of the
                                                  individuals. People in
                                                  the lower brackets
                                                  tend to be concerned
                                                  with one thing and one
                                                  thing only which is?
 
 Russ: that’s an unfair
                                                  grouping though
                                                  wouldn’t you say?
 
 Tia: I’m starting from
                                                  the bottom and I’m
                                                  working my way up.
 
 Russ: okay, well I’ll
                                                  play.
 
 Tia: you’ll play.
                                                  Before we play, why do
                                                  you have that
                                                  reservation?
 
 Russ: well due to the
                                                  fact that I’ve been in
                                                  that same bracket more
                                                  times than I can
                                                  count….
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: and yet every
                                                  one of those times
                                                  that I’ve been in that
                                                  bracket have been my
                                                  highest leaps in
                                                  consciousness or at
                                                  least in learning.
 
 Tia: yes but you’ve
                                                  already been exposed
                                                  to that quest for
                                                  knowledge.
 
 Russ: at my lowest
                                                  points I’ve been
                                                  exposed….
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: but at my higher
                                                  points, those are the
                                                  points I was never
                                                  exposed to it.
 
 Tia: yes but you were
                                                  already spiritually
                                                  aware.
 
 Russ: well that’s just
                                                  many lifetimes.
 
 Tia: uh-huh, you were
                                                  conscious of those
                                                  lifetimes and of those
                                                  experiences. Most
                                                  people are not. Take
                                                  for example your
                                                  former girlfriend.
 
 Russ: okay.
 
 Tia: she was never
                                                  exposed to those
                                                  spiritual situations.
 
 Russ: different
                                                  continent…..or
                                                  different country.
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: okay, what I’m
                                                  talking about is those
                                                  people born in the
                                                  United States….
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: with those past
                                                  lives from Atlantis
                                                  now taking more of a
                                                  predominant role in
                                                  their consciousness
                                                  and their growth.
 
 Tia: okay let us look
                                                  at another person.
 
 Russ: okay.
 
 Tia: Jack, very
                                                  Americanized.
 
 Russ: came from Greece
                                                  though.
 
 Tia: uh-huh but, let
                                                  me follow this
                                                  through.
 
 Russ: okay.
 
 Tia: he’s very
                                                  Americanized, I
                                                  believe he’s an
                                                  American citizen
                                                  correct?
 
 Russ: oh yeah.
 
 Tia: he worked for
                                                  governmental agencies.
 
 Russ: correct.
 
 Tia: but yet he comes
                                                  from the old world
                                                  where there is a
                                                  history of connection
                                                  with Atlantis, where
                                                  they actually do
                                                  believe in Atlantis,
                                                  it’s not some
                                                  harebrained scheme.
 
 Russ: right.
 
 Tia: so why is it that
                                                  Jack is so different
                                                  from you coming from a
                                                  place where it is
                                                  accepted, that it more
                                                  than likely did exist?
 
 Russ: hmm, because
                                                  people who are….
 
 (Mark's cat Joey made
                                                  a thump in the room
                                                  above us)
 
 Tia: she’s got heavy
                                                  feet.
 
 Russ: yeah…..people
                                                  with more
                                                  familiar........and it
                                                  has to do with past
                                                  lives. Okay yeah their
                                                  belief is there but
                                                  their past lives are
                                                  bringing them here to
                                                  this country due to
                                                  the technological
                                                  nature of this country
                                                  is completely similar
                                                  to what Atlantis was
                                                  so therefore I’m
                                                  talking about people
                                                  who were born in this
                                                  country.
 
 Tia: okay, David.
 
 Russ: good point.
 
 Tia: until he met
                                                  you….
 
 Russ: uh-huh.
 
 Tia: no idea of past
                                                  lives…..
 
 Russ: right.
 
 Tia: no idea on
                                                  spiritual awareness……
 
 Russ: right.
 
 Tia: but, he was
                                                  exposed to it. Now,
                                                  David is in the bottom
                                                  bracket correct?
 
 Russ: oh yeah.
 
 Tia: very much so and
                                                  his spiritual growth
                                                  goes in spurts. When
                                                  he moves temporarily
                                                  up into another
                                                  bracket where he has
                                                  property and so on, he
                                                  searches but when he
                                                  is knocked back down
                                                  into the lower bracket
                                                  he’s more concerned
                                                  with survival.
                                                  "Where’s my next meal
                                                  coming from, where’s
                                                  my next luxury coming
                                                  from" and that’s all
                                                  he’s concerned with.
                                                  But, the average
                                                  person that has not
                                                  been exposed is more
                                                  concerned with
                                                  advancing to the next
                                                  bracket. When they
                                                  achieve that next
                                                  bracket, they have a
                                                  stable lifestyle, they
                                                  wish to go on to the
                                                  next level and the
                                                  next level is having
                                                  luxuries such as a
                                                  car, TV, VCR, pets,
                                                  computers and so on.
                                                  Now having achieved
                                                  that bracket, then
                                                  they start to branch
                                                  out for spiritualness.
                                                  Whether it is from an
                                                  established Christian
                                                  religion or Celtic or
                                                  Buddhism or Druidism
                                                  or Hinduism or Muslim,
                                                  whatever, they branch
                                                  out and search. Now
                                                  there are certain
                                                  groups that are
                                                  external, groups that
                                                  have a strong ethnic
                                                  background in
                                                  spiritualism, they’re
                                                  outside of the normal
                                                  run-of-the-mill
                                                  people.
 
 Russ: hmm, okay well
                                                  take for example….
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: and this is why
                                                  I bring this up, the
                                                  fact that as you
                                                  mentioned David wasn’t
                                                  much into it until he
                                                  was exposed by myself.
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: at that point
                                                  took a much further
                                                  interest.
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: now I’m taking
                                                  this to the next level
                                                  which is the fact that
                                                  the media has kind of
                                                  taken my position now.
                                                  People are being
                                                  exposed on a huge,
                                                  wider scale and
                                                  especially with the
                                                  Internet too…..
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: to where it’s
                                                  not just me telling
                                                  people or people like
                                                  me telling other
                                                  people, they’re seeing
                                                  this in many different
                                                  forms, especially
                                                  entertainment forms
                                                  that are hugely
                                                  popular….
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: and hugely
                                                  making a point on
                                                  their brains.
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: inspirational or
                                                  something like that.
                                                  Now with that, I think
                                                  we’re seeing the
                                                  changes coming about
                                                  from a larger group of
                                                  people….
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: in the same
                                                  bracket that David
                                                  was.
 
 Tia: they’re
                                                  interested but they do
                                                  not have the ability
                                                  to advance. Mainly
                                                  because there is one
                                                  factor involved in the
                                                  media that plays a
                                                  very strong role in
                                                  it.
 
 Russ: hmm.
 
 Tia: and that factor
                                                  is, "how much money
                                                  can we make from
                                                  this?" So there’s a
                                                  lot of erroneous
                                                  information out there
                                                  that is very
                                                  deceptive, very
                                                  uninformative due to
                                                  the fact it’s a
                                                  mishmash of realities
                                                  and fantasies. A
                                                  collection of ideas
                                                  that look compatible
                                                  but are not. For
                                                  example, let us take
                                                  the humanoid species.
 
 Russ: okay.
 
 Tia: how many humanoid
                                                  species do you know?
 
 Russ: roughly four?
 
 Tia: I can actually
                                                  think of a lot more.
                                                  There’s my species,
                                                  your species, the
                                                  Zeta’s, the Wookies,
                                                  the Sirians, the
                                                  Reptilians, yes they
                                                  fit in there, they’re
                                                  bipedal life forms.
                                                  They all have one
                                                  thing in common.
 
 Russ: hmm?
 
 Tia: they all have
                                                  hands or things
                                                  approaching hands,
                                                  they all have two
                                                  eyes…..oh the blue
                                                  guys, the androgynous
                                                  race that we have up
                                                  here. Okay so that’s
                                                  eight races, all
                                                  bipedal, all bifocal,
                                                  all with digitals.
                                                  Now, how many species
                                                  are there that are
                                                  spacefaring? Also the
                                                  bat race and the pig
                                                  race and the frog race
                                                  that Mark’s seen so
                                                  that brings it up to
                                                  11.
 
 Russ: I would say
                                                  they’re all
                                                  spacefaring except for
                                                  the frog race…
 
 Tia: uh-huh. Now the
                                                  question wasn’t how
                                                  many of those are
                                                  spacefaring, it’s how
                                                  many spacefaring races
                                                  are there?
 
 Russ: oh, quite a few.
 
 Tia: uh-huh, a lot and
                                                  the humanoids are just
                                                  a small percentage of
                                                  the spacefaring races.
 
 Russ: they’re not very
                                                  good at it either.
 
 Tia: no. There are
                                                  other races out there
                                                  that you would not
                                                  recognize as lifeforms
                                                  but they are alive. So
                                                  your popular
                                                  entertainment portrays
                                                  basically this one
                                                  category, the
                                                  humanoids. They don’t
                                                  portray any of the
                                                  gaseous lifeforms,
                                                  they don’t portray any
                                                  of the liquid
                                                  lifeforms, they don’t
                                                  portray any of the
                                                  plant intelligent
                                                  lifeforms, they don’t
                                                  portray many in the
                                                  way of aquatic
                                                  lifeforms that are
                                                  intelligent
                                                  spacefaring races.
 
 Russ: “Men in Black”
                                                  came kind of close.
 
 Tia: no, not even
                                                  close, not even close.
                                                  There are so many
                                                  different lifeforms
                                                  out there that we make
                                                  up as bipedal
                                                  lifeforms, carbon
                                                  based lifeforms, about
                                                  maybe 2% if we're
                                                  lucky.
 
 Russ: hmm.
 
 Tia: so what is in
                                                  your popular
                                                  entertainment is quite
                                                  a lot of erroneous
                                                  facts. There’s a lot
                                                  of truth in them but
                                                  there is also a lot of
                                                  information that is
                                                  way off the mark.
                                                  There are a lot of
                                                  lifeforms out there
                                                  that show no interest
                                                  whatsoever in your
                                                  species, in your
                                                  planet, they’re more
                                                  interested in other
                                                  things. So you see
                                                  where I’m going with
                                                  this?
 
 Russ: right.
 
 Tia: that the popular
                                                  entertainment is
                                                  probably about 2%
                                                  accurate and the rest
                                                  of it is fantasy,
                                                  wishful thinking,
                                                  mishmash of facts
                                                  cobbled together that
                                                  is there for purely
                                                  entertainment. Now
                                                  people like David go
                                                  and to see things like
                                                  this and they take it
                                                  as that’s a
                                                  possibility, that
                                                  rings a bell. It’s the
                                                  desire to feel not
                                                  alone. Even though
                                                  you’re not alone, but
                                                  you want to feel
                                                  comfortable, you want
                                                  to be able to
                                                  associate with an
                                                  idea. So if you were
                                                  to make a realistic
                                                  entertainment on
                                                  spacefaring races, you
                                                  would be in for quite
                                                  a shock on all the
                                                  possibilities and all
                                                  the possible motives
                                                  and all the possible
                                                  thought processes and
                                                  so on. So that to say
                                                  that the popular
                                                  entertainment is a key
                                                  element in the
                                                  spiritual growth is
                                                  wrong because there is
                                                  a lot of mishmash
                                                  ideas in there. Now
                                                  what is useful is the
                                                  revival in native
                                                  consciousness meaning
                                                  Native Americans,
                                                  native British people,
                                                  native Africans,
                                                  native Chinese, their
                                                  spiritual awareness is
                                                  where the true
                                                  information really is.
                                                  Yes there is an
                                                  increase in these
                                                  things. Movies, TV
                                                  series, documentaries,
                                                  books, publications,
                                                  all of these things
                                                  have a connectedness
                                                  but these massive
                                                  blockbusters, "Men in
                                                  Black",
                                                  "Contact"........actually
                                                  "Contact" is more
                                                  realistic than "Men in
                                                  Black" for your Earth
                                                  terminology.
 
 Russ: "Independence
                                                  Day".
 
 Tia: "Independence
                                                  Day", "Star Trek", all
                                                  these things serve a
                                                  purpose primarily of
                                                  entertainment. Little
                                                  snippets, even "Star
                                                  Wars", little snippets
                                                  of information are
                                                  scattered within.
                                                  Little philosophies
                                                  are scattered within
                                                  but overall they are
                                                  purely entertainment.
                                                  Omal would beg to
                                                  differ and I’ll let
                                                  him deal with that in
                                                  a little bit.
 
 Russ: they do make my
                                                  job easier.
 
 Tia: what do you mean?
 
 Russ: well when I
                                                  discuss something like
                                                  this, it’s not like
                                                  I’m having to start
                                                  from scratch.
 
 Tia: oh, no.
 
 Russ: I’m building on
                                                  a information base
                                                  that people have
                                                  already accepted….
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: as a
                                                  possibility.
 
 Tia: yes.
 
 Russ: when I’m able to
                                                  offer collaborating
                                                  evidence towards that
                                                  fact…..
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: I’m not starting
                                                  from total disbelief.
 
 Tia: no, no, there are
                                                  a lot of people out
                                                  there that do and they
                                                  get suckered into
                                                  these cults.
 
 Russ: well if Omal
                                                  allows your answers
                                                  from the last part
                                                  there, that will go a
                                                  long way too.
 
 Tia: uh-huh. A good
                                                  example of being
                                                  suckered in and a
                                                  costly one is the
                                                  Heaven’s Gate group,
                                                  they were suckered in
                                                  badly.
 
 Russ: yeah people are
                                                  still asking whether
                                                  or not "well, I wonder
                                                  where they are now?"
 
 Tia: they’re dead.
 
 Russ: yeah I know,
                                                  they’re in between
                                                  lives going, "well
                                                  that was pretty
                                                  stupid......"
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: "let’s not do
                                                  that next time."
 
 Tia: yeah, exactly.
                                                  They were not picked
                                                  up, there was nothing
                                                  there and not enough
                                                  credit has been given
                                                  to the people that
                                                  said that there was
                                                  nothing there. I mean,
                                                  Mark went there and
                                                  told, there was
                                                  nothing there. The
                                                  information got out
                                                  late but it wouldn’t
                                                  have changed anything.
 
 Russ: no, people are
                                                  going to do whatever
                                                  they're going to do
                                                  when they do it.
 
 Tia: uh-huh. Art Bell
                                                  did a lot of harm to
                                                  the spiritual growth.
                                                  Art Bell in my opinion
                                                  is a joke but that’s
                                                  my opinion. He may
                                                  deny it, he may get
                                                  upset, he may get
                                                  angry but he is out
                                                  there for the
                                                  advancement and
                                                  advancement only of
                                                  Art Bell. Spiritually
                                                  wise he is devoid in
                                                  my opinion. He’s
                                                  probably got spiritual
                                                  inclinations but, the
                                                  primary motivating
                                                  factor is himself.
 
 Russ: but again, just
                                                  like with everything
                                                  else, Art Bell serves
                                                  a purpose.
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: making my job
                                                  easier.
 
 Tia: he gets the ideas
                                                  out there.
 
 Russ: right, all I do
                                                  is I cleanup his
                                                  trash.
 
 Tia: uh-huh and his
                                                  trash is quite a lot.
 
 Russ: yes but I mean
                                                  without the trash…
 
 Tia: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: I’d have to
                                                  start creating that
                                                  stuff.
 
 Tia: yeah, it is
                                                  possible in a way that
                                                  you could say that Art
                                                  Bell was responsible
                                                  for the suicides of
                                                  the Heaven’s Gate
                                                  crowd. By continuing
                                                  that myth, they would
                                                  have probably
                                                  committed suicide
                                                  anyway but he
                                                  contributed to it in
                                                  an indirect way.
 
 Russ: well,
                                                  nonetheless, the only
                                                  responsibility lies
                                                  with the Heaven’s Gate
                                                  members.
 
 Tia: correct. Anyway,
                                                  my time's up for this
                                                  bit.
 
 Russ: okay.
 
 Tia: or do you have
                                                  any last questions?
 
 Russ: no, go ahead
                                                  love.
 
 Tia: okay.
 
 
 
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