(Karra has some thoughts on the reflexology that Treebeard talked about earlier in the session so she expands on what he offered with how reflexology has a role in healing. She explains a technique possible on the third dimension along with the serious harm it can do if used without proper training.) 

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Russ: reflexology, maintaining our relaxed state of mind that we’re working on.

Karra: oh yes, yes reflexology. Okay, what did Treebeard cover?

Russ: Treebeard covered the points on the hand for quick stimulation….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and more prolonged stimulation, point on the back of the neck for….

Karra: uh-huh, just below….

Russ: dormancy, correct. Let’s see, Skip and Treebeard worked on points of the feet for maintaining youth and healthfulness.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and the……

Russ: oh back of the ears.

Karra: okay now there are some more, there are ones that I’ve used to immobilize parts of the body.

Russ: oh excellent.

Karra: uh-huh for medical reasons.

Russ: right.

Karra: okay…..

Russ: that would be handy.

Karra: there are some pressure points on the sides of the ribs, by applying pressure…..just let me work out…..almost down to the bottom of the rib cage in fact right on the bottom of the rib cage. If you run your finger down the side about midway down in the middle, go down to the bottom of the rib cage and apply a little bit of pressure there and you will feel a little bit of tingling in the backs of your legs.

Russ: I must be doing it wrong.

Skip: ouch.

Karra: okay let me roll the host body, should be there.

Russ: it’s on the very bottom rib?

Karra: uh-huh not quite, there’s one more below it.

Russ: oh okay, I see, second from bottom.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay got that one.

Karra: if you were to draw a centerline down through, it’s right there.

Russ: okay.

Karra: there you go. Now if you rotate over a little bit more towards the back in the same rib, apply a little bit more pressure okay, you feel that in your back? A little tingling….

Russ: oh there it is, I got that one on the back, I can't get the one on the legs though.

Karra: probably not applying enough pressure.

Russ: oh all right.

Karra: okay now, these again are pressure points.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay they have various different uses, the one for the legs will paralyze the legs if you apply enough pressure. There is a very quick way of doing it which looks brutal and discomfiting and you put your hands like this and beat on either side at the pressure points. What you do is you cut off the supply of blood to the legs as well as the energy to legs and the legs will fold and they are numb. It’s kind of a localized anesthetic for the legs. That will take out both of them if you do it on either side. If you do on one side, one leg will be inactive and it’s the leg on that side. Now once the leg is immobilized and is numb, you can do whatever is necessary but you have a very limited length of time to do it.

Russ: so for a traumatic bone break you can immobilize it, set it, splint it….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: have it back up by the time the blood hits back again?

Karra: you’ve got about a minute to a minute and a half.

Russ: no, that ain’t going to do it.

Skip: in other words, you’d have to move pretty swiftly.

Karra: uh-huh, you have to get in there with your hands and push the bone back together, splint it, wrap it and I can do it just in a minute and a half.

Skip: that’s tough to do.

(Russ whistles)

Skip: that’s tough to do.

Karra: and that’s actually getting into the bone with your hand. Now they will feel pain but nowhere near as much as they would feel.

Russ: go ahead and discuss these other things.

Karra: uh-huh, but....

(Russ leaves the room for a few)

Skip: young lady.......

Karra: yes.

Skip: let me ask you a question now on this.

Karra: okay, uh-huh.

Skip: what you described….

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: is more or less a local anesthetic.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: is this…..you’ve observed our people, our 3-D people in all states I’m sure. Is this one of the moves or actions that a martial arts person uses on another person?

Karra: probably yes, probably.

Skip: that’s what I was thinking.

Karra: uh-huh but they have medicinal uses that are much more useful then being harmful. It’s normally something that you would use after using the martial arts for the obvious reasons.

Skip: sure.

Karra: martial arts fight you're pretty dinged up, you need localized anesthetic, what are you going to do?

Skip: in other words this would be included in the training of martial arts.

Karra: uh-huh, just as the pressure points if you've noticed that both Treebeard and myself have always stated, gently.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: now if you go to the other spectrum, let us go back to the legs and the blow to the side on the ribs….

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: that will paralyze the legs. The harder, the more longer and protracted the paralyzing is. A real hard blow and you’ve lost the use of the legs.

Skip: okay but now let me ask you one other question, couldn’t by exerting enough force break the ribs?

Karra: yes.

Skip: okay because it only takes approximately 14 pounds of pressure to break any bone in the human body.

Karra: uh-huh, what stops it from breaking is the flexibility.

Skip: yes, yeah I understand that.

Karra: but if you were to hold either side, 14 pounds that’s what it takes.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: okay, you’re very correct, yes they are probably used in martial arts as well but much harsher and much different kind of focus.

Skip: uh-huh, be a swifter more vicious blow?

Karra: yes.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: with the intent to do harm.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: now, the interesting thing is the pressure points, what are they? Okay let us look at the hand, the one that Treebeard did on Russ first of all. If you look at your hand right? Where he stabbed Russ…..

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: was there a vein there?

Russ: yeah, there’s a vein, a blue vein.

Karra: okay? When he stabbed the palm of your hand.

Russ: here? Uh-huh, a vein there too.

Karra: uh-huh, what’s he doing or did he do?

Russ: affecting the blood flow?

Karra: exactly.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: now, I mentioned when you hit on the side that you stopped the flow….

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: I didn’t say what the flow was.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: nerve flow.

Karra: nerve flow and blood flow. What you’re actually doing is depriving the area of oxygen. Just for a moment….bummph.

Russ: hmm, I see.

Karra: uh-huh. So what you’re doing is stopping the blood flow and the nerve flow to that area and when you do that in a healing capacity, you have a very limited period of time. Now if you do it in the aggressive posture, the window is much bigger and the opportunity is there to do what you would say more harm but it isn’t as effective for healing because the energy flow that you need to return quickly to aid in the healing process doesn’t happen so therefore even though you could sit and take maybe 2 ½ to 3 minutes, that area is not healing for that length of time. When you set a bone and put a splint and wrap an injured area with a minute and a half window, that’s all you have. Any more than that and you’re going to start doing damage.

Skip: okay, okay.

Russ: all right.

Skip: that makes sense.

Karra: because you're robbing the area of the oxygen.

Russ: now what about the massaging of the feet, what you doing? I mean he mentioned a lot about being able to generate laughter or at least good feelings......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but are you affecting the blood flow there or just the nerve flows?

Karra: you’re stimulating the blood flow by increasing the blood flow.

Russ: oh. Which helps……

Karra: which helps….

Russ: oxygenate the body.

Karra: that’s correct.

Russ: I see.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: and by making you laugh. When you laugh, what do you do?

Skip: you increase your oxygen intake.

Russ: right.

Karra: that’s right, you inhale more air.

Russ: hmmm.