(Our talk with Kiri, she lets us in our what she believes in which could be best described as a nature religion. It’s a deep connection to all things around her which is similar to the philosophy of her grandmother’s which she also shares. Our religions down here seem to hold to outdated morals which she admits would cause problems if she lived down here.) 

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Skip: okay, now back to spiritualism.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: every person in my estimation has their own way of believing what other people say….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: they interpret their own understanding of this, what they can say to others, it's still their own interpretation no matter if it's out of a book or from somebody else's words or from being coerced.

Kiri: one of the things that I’ve noticed throughout a lot of your earth religions there is one common ground, love each other. But what confuses me is that they all preach, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Muslim, Shintoism, Druidism, a myriad of Roman Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Jewish Orthodox, you could sit here and name a thousand religions on your planet that have one common theme, love.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: love your neighbor, love yourself as you love your friends, love your friends as you love yourself.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: the love of the God is equal to your love to others but what confuses me is you take somewhere like Northern Ireland, you got a religious war. You take Croatia, you had a religious war. You take Kosovo, you had a religious war and they all have the same philosophy, love each other.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: it seems to me that the philosophy is being amended to love everybody of your religion and kill the others which to me is wrong.

Skip: well what is happening here from my point of view.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay? Is they're getting politics stirred in with their religion.

Kiri: exactly, I think you're very correct there.

Skip: so consequently they’re not letting the people believe the way that they want to believe in love your neighbor, love your enemy, love your friends…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and hey, they got our property, we’re going to take it away from them but we've got to kill them. How can you love your enemy if you’re going to kill them?

Kiri: exactly.

Russ: there I disagree.

Skip: go ahead Russ.

Russ: it’s just the fact that I feel that everybody throughout history with just a few exceptions makes time for religion. In other words they go through a certain time either during the day or on one day of week or when it is and they practice their religion.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: and whether that be loving your neighbor or hating your neighbor, during that time it doesn’t matter anything about politics or anything else because I could be the greatest Christian in the world and go to church every Sunday and pray before every meal but that doesn't mean I have politics when I go out and I hate some neo-Nazi for bombing a Jewish church.

Kiri: well actually Russ brought up a very good misconception.

Skip: okay, I......yeah go ahead honey.

Kiri: Naziizm isn’t a religion, it’s a political point of view......

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you just used a political point of view to deal with a religious situation. That unfortunately is a very common misconception that a political perception is a religion, it’s not. It’s serves the same purpose or can serve the same purpose but is not a religion, it is a political organization that is bent on control whereas religion gives you the freedom to be able to worship whatever deity you wish in whatever form you wish without the draw of the politics but unfortunately politics has become part of religion. That’s where the problem is.

Skip: you're right and all faiths are doing this.

Kiri: yeah for me the religion of the earth or religion the planet, the earth being ground, the soil and the dirt is earth, not earth as in your planet earth but as in the earth that you hold in your hands.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: the religion of the grounds, the trees, the rocks and everything, is something that is part of my everyday experience. Even though I'm not on my home planet where the religion is based, I walk on rock everyday, I breathe the air everyday. Breathing is a religious experience. Every time I breathe it is a thank you for the air that I can breathe. Every time I exhale I am giving off a thank you for the air that's moved in my lungs from the mother ground.....

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: or the father ground.

Skip: religion, when you get into that, you can get into a real, real, real, heavy, deep discussion take could years.

Kiri: oh yes.

Skip: it could take years.

Kiri: I think my grandmother’s philosophy is a good one that love all things, give love to everything that there is because it is all part of the greater wholeness of everything. When she came and talked about the passing of Sarah, she mentioned the gray skins, that she would love them just as much as she loved Sarah for not for what they had done but for what they are and she would help them. To me that’s the greatest gift of love, the greatest level of spirituality that there is possible. And that is something that, having whispered in my ear all the things that are going on, it confuses me that your planet preaches on one hand loving all things unless they are of a different belief politically, religiously, morally, persecute them. Something I find very hard to understand coming from a society.......one of things that I’ve noticed is, again I'm having it whispered in my ear, gay bashing. Whether they're male homosexuals or female lesbians is go out and beat the hell out of them. All the religious groups tend to frown upon them, what would they make of me?

Russ: uh-huh,

Kiri: until I met Mark I was a lesbian, I had never known the hand of a guy but what would they make of me and I was accepted for what I am, I was accepted as a person.

Skip: in this world.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: people are afraid of what they don’t understand and what people don’t understand they fear.

Kiri: uh-huh, it will change in time.

Skip: I hope so.

Kiri: but got to be careful it doesn't go the other way. I don’t mean that straight people get beaten up by people of gay orientation.

Skip: that shouldn't take place.

Kiri: yes it’s something I find very hard to understand is that certain, getting back to religions for a second here, look upon making love as a sin but something so pleasurable of the body can’t be a sin.

Russ: unfortunate.…

Skip: it is unfortunate.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because God didn't make us to just to propagate the earth, he said love each other.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay when I was a young man…….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and I’m an older man in our society okay?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: when I was a young man and I’m talking in my teens….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you did not discuss sex or making love even with your parents which was very, very difficult for the younger people to learn what this world is all about.

Kiri: it’s sad, it really is sad.

Skip: it is sad.

Kiri: I've experimented, I’ve enjoyed it, I was able to discuss it freely with my mother although that part of her life she was very sick. I discussed with my father, my father’s given me pointers. To us it’s no biggie, it’s part of life. Anyway……

Skip: thank you, okay.

Kiri: my pot needs stirring now.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: see you love.

Kiri: I’ll be back.

Skip: okay, thank you.