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                 (Omal talks survival with
                      an initial look at the current states of various
                      countries such as Russia, China and Korea while
                      also helping to chart a path through the survival
                      phase of any economic collapse. He next moves on
                      to the recovery phase as he explains how to ensure
                      the growth of society doesn’t again cause the same
                      issues.)
 
 
 Omal:
                                            greetings and felicitations,
                                            let us get quickly down to
                                            business as the last speaker
                                            was a little bit longer than
                                            we anticipated. Let us be
                                            quick and precise and to the
                                            point. Let us deal with the
                                            matters at hand and dealing
                                            with those matters, let us
                                            look at the current
                                            situation of a Dow at about
                                            7,020, the death of Deng
                                            Xiaping, the ill health of
                                            Boris Yeltsin and the
                                            spiritual development of
                                            various groups and
                                            individuals.
 
 Russ: okay.
 
 Omal: all these things tie
                                            in together. The reason that
                                            they tie in together is that
                                            they're all related in a
                                            way, they all either involve
                                            growth or death. The
                                            spiritual groups and the
                                            stock market are linked
                                            together in the fact that
                                            they are growing. Boris
                                            Yeltsin in the former Soviet
                                            Union and Deng Xiaping are
                                            all either dying or are
                                            dead, waiting for rebirth.
                                            This leaves open possible
                                            problems and possible
                                            remedies and improvements in
                                            situations. The current
                                            situation in China is a
                                            little bit up in the air.
                                            How will it affect Hong Kong
                                            which is due to be handed
                                            over sometime soon I
                                            believe?
 
 Russ: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: how does that relate
                                            to the former Soviet Union?
                                            That up in the air not too
                                            sure? Well at one time the
                                            former Soviet Union and
                                            China were great allies.
                                            They still are to a certain
                                            extent, there are still
                                            political ties as well as
                                            economic ties and ethnic
                                            ties. With one up in the air
                                            and not quite sure and one
                                            holding its breath and
                                            waiting, leaves the
                                            possibility of unrest for
                                            those people within those
                                            various nations. Let us take
                                            China for example with
                                            approximately 11,000,000
                                            people on the move, looking
                                            for work or in a depressed
                                            system. How are they going
                                            to respond to the death of
                                            one individual? Are they
                                            going to try and force their
                                            will upon the Central
                                            Committee or are they going
                                            to be more concerned with
                                            survival? How does survival
                                            affect the death of that
                                            individual? Well the
                                            survival works this way, if
                                            they force their will for
                                            change upon the new
                                            governmental body, they have
                                            the power to change their
                                            environment and make life
                                            better for themselves but
                                            seldom does this happen. If
                                            the same situation occurred
                                            in the former Soviet Union
                                            and Boris Yeltsin dies,
                                            there will be major
                                            political upheaval of the
                                            minority forcing their will
                                            on the majority. This could
                                            be a positive or a negative
                                            effect. The fact that
                                            already Boris Yeltsin is a
                                            weakened individual opens up
                                            the possibility that this is
                                            already happening and
                                            they're just waiting for him
                                            to pass away and therefore
                                            be able to make their move.
                                            They may wait until he is so
                                            incapacitated and then make
                                            their move but regardless of
                                            what happens in those
                                            countries, trouble is
                                            possibly brewing. Now let us
                                            look at the stock market and
                                            the growth of the spiritual
                                            organizations and groups.
                                            This comes from a more
                                            wealthier society that is
                                            bellowing like a mushroom.
                                            As it grows, people have
                                            more leisure time to pursue
                                            other interests but, if it
                                            grows too rapidly as it is,
                                            it leaves openings for
                                            cracks, discontent,
                                            confusion, overbalance and
                                            crash. Which in turn lets
                                            these groups of individuals
                                            that have had more time for
                                            leisure, growth and
                                            experimentation, no longer
                                            have that option so
                                            therefore it becomes
                                            dangerous and detrimental
                                            for such a large growing
                                            community. You see what will
                                            happen?
 
 Russ: uh-huh, they'll get
                                            persecuted.
 
 Omal: correct, those that
                                            have had the time to think
                                            and educate and learn, now
                                            do not have that time. They
                                            are going from hand to mouth
                                            or as you stated earlier on,
                                            from hand to fist to try for
                                            development and growth,
                                            praying for what they once
                                            had.
 
 Russ: now with those who are
                                            growing and yet do not wish
                                            to be persecuted, then they
                                            would need to as Tia said,
                                            blend in?
 
 Omal: correct.
 
 Russ: and not show the fact
                                            that they are growing.....
 
 Omal: correct.
 
 Russ: until the recovery
                                            period begins.
 
 Omal: correct.
 
 Russ: okay and at that
                                            point, those people step
                                            fourth to be the leaders and
                                            teachers of that recovery
                                            period.
 
 Omal: if they wish so yes.
 
 Russ: correct.
 
 Omal: but only if they wish
                                            so. It is not a duty that
                                            they have to stand forward
                                            and lead and teach.
                                            Sometimes it is better to
                                            sit in the shadows and wait
                                            and help to push somebody in
                                            the correct direction.
 
 Russ: now would they be
                                            naturally drawn toward that
                                            area though? As…..
 
 Omal: no, not necessarily.
 
 Russ: people looking for
                                            direction?
 
 Omal: not necessarily, no.
 
 Russ: okay.
 
 Omal: it depends on the
                                            individuals that are doing
                                            the growing, that are doing
                                            the spiritual seeking or
                                            have the way-with-all to be
                                            able to do what they wish in
                                            a way that they wish.
 
 Russ: they would still be
                                            acting in a little bit of
                                            fear since their compatriots
                                            were the first up against
                                            the wall kind of deal.
 
 Omal: yes.
 
 John: can I ask you about
                                            the situation in Korea?
 
 Omal: certainly.
 
 John: it’s a very, very,
                                            very intense situation that
                                            has been an ongoing thing
                                            obviously you know that.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 John: I'm curious about the
                                            development in North and
                                            South Korea and I mean it’s
                                            directly related to China
                                            and Russia and the United
                                            States but then......where
                                            is the situation going from
                                            here?
 
 Omal: well the situation is
                                            easier to describe at a
                                            crossroads that has many
                                            possible directions that it
                                            could take. The possible
                                            direction that would work
                                            best is not necessarily the
                                            direction that it should go.
                                            The way that it looks like
                                            it could go is it could
                                            collapse within itself. That
                                            is not the best possible
                                            direction because as it
                                            collapses in on itself,
                                            people riot, the military
                                            gets involved, there is
                                            bloodshed, there is
                                            fighting, the government may
                                            get overthrown, it may not
                                            but whatever happens there
                                            is bloodshed. But, the
                                            bloodshed is not necessarily
                                            a negative thing, the
                                            bloodshed could lead to an
                                            improvement as there are
                                            fewer people to support. So
                                            therefore the fewer people
                                            that need food, means that
                                            there is more to go around.
                                            There is more to go around,
                                            there is an increase in
                                            luxury and so on. What also
                                            happens when there is an
                                            increase in luxury is there
                                            is an increase in breeding
                                            which returns back to the
                                            old pattern and an old cycle
                                            and it goes goes through the
                                            process all over again. A
                                            country that encourages
                                            procreation like North Korea
                                            causes its own food
                                            problems. The food problems
                                            in turn means that the
                                            country has to look outside
                                            and by looking outside, the
                                            people that go outside, see
                                            other options that are
                                            possible and some of them
                                            take those possible options.
                                            Another possible way that it
                                            goes is it continues having
                                            difficulty and the
                                            development is slow due to
                                            the fact that there is a
                                            decrease in available
                                            substance that is usable in
                                            a nourishing capacity. And
                                            that happening causes the
                                            problem of lack of food,
                                            people become less active,
                                            less active people are less
                                            likely to cause problems for
                                            the government, the
                                            government in turn increases
                                            its influence and so on.
 
 John: now....what? Oh excuse
                                            me I’m sorry, I apologize.
 
 Omal: if you look back in
                                            time to the former Soviet
                                            Union during its five-year
                                            plan, it went through a very
                                            hard time where people
                                            starved to death but yet the
                                            outside world saw it as a
                                            very prosperous time for
                                            that country with great
                                            developments. Out of that
                                            struggle came a very strong
                                            society. The system that it
                                            used, the Communist system,
                                            obviously did not work for
                                            that environment and in
                                            doing so led to a breakdown,
                                            finally to chaos and to its
                                            current situation. As for
                                            North Korea, that is a
                                            possible option that it will
                                            go through a tough time and
                                            then recover and become
                                            stronger and the system of
                                            communism may work for them.
                                            It may not, it all depends
                                            on what transpires at this
                                            point. Your question?
 
 John: okay, my question is
                                            about South Korea and they
                                            have one of the highest
                                            literacy rates in the world.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 John: I mean it’s one of the
                                            most literate countries. Is
                                            this going to have any
                                            impact on the outcome?
 
 Omal: no, education is
                                            wonderful and great. If you
                                            can read things, you can
                                            learn things but being able
                                            to do things is just as
                                            equal as to learning. The
                                            literacy rate in South Korea
                                            is good, it means that the
                                            people can grow, learn and
                                            understand but it's a
                                            two-edged sword. With
                                            knowledge comes other
                                            responsibilities and with
                                            those responsibilities comes
                                            other problems. You have a
                                            nation that has a high
                                            literacy rate and people
                                            become scholars and spend a
                                            lot of time reading and
                                            researching and thinking and
                                            creating things and they
                                            forget about their everyday
                                            needs and their children get
                                            involved in development and
                                            research and producing
                                            luxuries which in turn means
                                            that the society increases
                                            its procreation rate which
                                            in turn puts stress on the
                                            land which in turn causes
                                            more problems. If the
                                            literacy rate is controlled
                                            and kept in a good order,
                                            then it is necessary for
                                            individuals to be directed
                                            with their knowledge to land
                                            management, production of
                                            industrial resources,
                                            leisure resources and so on.
                                            But it is necessary to
                                            remember that it is
                                            necessary to have food
                                            available at all times.
 
 (The phone rings and the
                                            cord is pulled out of the
                                            phone.)
 
 Omal: thank you.
 
 Russ: my pleasure.
 
 Omal: and with the increase
                                            in literacy as I said, comes
                                            other responsibilities.
                                            Remembering where you came
                                            from and with that
                                            remembrance, it is necessary
                                            to keep the land developing
                                            at a ratio that is equal to
                                            what is necessary. If you
                                            have an increase of 5% in
                                            the population, you must
                                            also increase your
                                            production of food by 5%.
                                            With the increase in
                                            knowledge comes the same
                                            responsibility. Okay, next
                                            question.
 
 Russ: going back a step, we
                                            mentioned going through the
                                            survival phase into the
                                            recovery phase. With
                                            the…..Karra’s on me that I
                                            did not ask a question that
                                            I should of which is
                                            cooperation…..
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: between people.
 
 Omal: cooperation is very
                                            necessary but again, you
                                            have to not let individuals
                                            be aware of your full
                                            potential for the simple
                                            reason that they could
                                            innocently give out
                                            information that could be
                                            very necessary for your
                                            survival.
 
 Russ: hmm, well now Karra
                                            has been putting an idea in
                                            my head last night that I
                                            wanted to put toward you and
                                            see what you thought of it
                                            and that is the beginnings
                                            of a center for awareness…..
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: whereby a group of
                                            people would see the
                                            beginnings of a learning
                                            center….
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: not a food center,
                                            just a learning center that
                                            people of like mind could
                                            come together and learn
                                            from.
 
 Omal: you have already done
                                            that.
 
 Russ: this would be on a
                                            little bit more of a scale
                                            where it would be
                                            cooperation as far as
                                            teaching and learning that I
                                            came here to Tahoe
                                            originally for anyway.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: now, during the
                                            survival and recovery phase,
                                            this would attract people
                                            who would be living simply
                                            and would be more into
                                            natural healing, natural
                                            learning and psychic skills.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: at the main time,
                                            learn how to fast and live
                                            very simply.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: through such a group,
                                            a cooperative effort could
                                            be set up so almost like
                                            second family whereby your
                                            food supply would still be
                                            your food supply but your
                                            education and being able to
                                            work with others would be
                                            greatly enhanced. What do
                                            you think?
 
 Omal: what do I think? I
                                            think that it is something
                                            that would work but it is
                                            necessary to be patient and
                                            to take your time. It is
                                            something that would be wise
                                            to make those links now and
                                            when the time is right, pull
                                            the links together to form a
                                            whole cohesive unit.
 
 Russ: thank you.
 
 Omal: okay thank you, live
                                            long, prosper, and I’ll be
                                            back.
 
 John: thank you very much
                                            Omal.
 
 
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