(Tia relates of an incident in the sixties where a group of people tried to lift the pentagon with PK in explaining why it's never bad to have some question about using mental powers. We also discuss groups able to come together to do the same thing using meta-concerts.)

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Karen: okay now Tia?

Tia: uh-huh?

Karen: can these people that we have in our groups, they can't have any doubts whatsoever then, they can't have any denial that this is impossible or...?

Tia: self-doubt is a useful tool.

Karen: I'm talking about self-doubt of their powers or their gifts.

Tia: it's a useful tool, it stops people from getting delusional. The fact that they can do anything that they want."Okay, let's pick this house up and move it." I can't do that. Maybe a meta-concert from up here could do that but down in the third dimension? Unless you have some really powerful PK heads kicking around you can't do it. Even if you have as many PK people on your planet that you can, you still wouldn't to be able to pick up the house and move it. There was an incident in the late '60s where several thousand people got together and decided to pick up a five sided building and shake all the bad bogeyman out of it. And they tried and they tried and they tried and it didn't even budge and certainly no bogeyman fell out of it.

Karen: oh, bogeyman don't fall.

Tia: figure of speech.

Russ: but the potential is there........

Tia: uh-huh. I don't see....

Russ: in the future for other things besides PK anyway.

Tia: correct but the importance of individual groups dotted throughout your country is a very useful tool. There's a young lady in a far-off land where it's going into autumn now that I wish we could have had present also for meta-concerts and so on.

Russ: Nicole?

Tia: there is a young lady down in San Diego that would be useful to have for meta-concerts. Another one in Arizona, another one in Texas and all the individuals would have been ideal to have together for a season of working on meta-concerts. Unfortunately it's too late. Project for Mark and myself and Kiri. Write up a "how to meta-concert". All the rules and regulations in a newsletter form to be sent out like his "how to astral travel".