(Kiri gets deep into the mechanics of a black hole where she explains how the longer it stretches, the slower becomes the rotation. She has some fascinating facts about the event horizon of a black hole with the big surprise what she says happens when a black hole reaches critical mass. She also says what happens when all the black holes all reach critical mass we get both the end of our universe and the story of the birth of our universe from multiple Big Bangs.) 

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Skip: remember what......

Russ: oh yeah right.

Skip: hi sweetie.

Kiri: hey.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Skip: remember what we said? Remember what we said about healing? You do not heal the person, you’re a jumpstarter for their own energy?

Russ: hmm.

Shane: just like a car.

Skip: I’m sorry darling, we got into a discussion here.

Kiri: I know, I was listening with great interest. Okay energy, all matter is energy, energy is stored in all matter. If you were to condense all the matter in your universe into one area, let us say the size of your planet, the energy would generate so much intense heat that an explosion would release that energy and put it into motion. Energy cannot be destroyed, matter can be destroyed. If you use the symbol E equals MC equation, all matter in the universe will not even help you to transform to the speed of light. In doing so, it is very clear that another mode of transport is used to reach and go beyond the supposed light barrier. But, it is also a misnomer to say that you can’t create energy, energy already exists. That is true but you can create energy or rather you can take it from a source that isn’t in your universe and put it into your universe. Now here we get really heavy. As a star collapses within upon itself and compresses down and keep compressing down and compressing down sucking surrounding matter in, it gives off that energy in radioactive amounts that are detected hence the reason why black holes are detectable. As the black hole sucks in more matter, the gravitational pull.......a funny thing happens to the gravitational pull, it becomes less. The more dense and gravitationally dense the hole becomes, the denser and less strength the gravitational pull is. Can anybody tell me why?

Russ: I don't understand.

Skip: what she’s saying is, the deeper or further the star condenses and pulls in matter from outer space creating a black hole, the less the gravitational field is within that black hole. Outside of it it's atrocious but in the hole itself there is nothing.

Kiri: no, what is happening is the gravitational mass becomes so dense, the actual gravitational pull into the black hole becomes less.

Skip: oh okay I got it backwards then, I'm sorry.

Kiri: yeah, doesn’t disappear all together but it becomes less as it gets bigger, why?

Skip: it’s condensing down and getting ready to explode.

Kiri: that happens much, much later.

Russ: well what happened……..isn’t there a point of no return?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah, yeah a point right.

Russ: well that means if what you’re saying’s true which goes against everything I ever thought would happen, then you can actually enter a black hole.

Kiri: yeah but once you cross over the event horizon you can’t get out, the gravitational pull will not let you out.

Russ: but it’s less?

Kiri: it is still stronger then you can produce.

Skip: but it’s less than it was when it started.

Kiri: much less, it is not so much of what happens, it is why.

Skip: because as it keeps compressing, it’s compressing energy and a fantastic amount of energy.

Kiri: but you cannot destroy energy.

Skip: so what’s going to happen when you keep compressing it down?

Shane: it’s going to burst.

Skip: it has to reverse.

Kiri: that’s not the reason why the gravitational pull becomes less, I want you guys to work out why the gravitational pull becomes less.

Russ: well you said last time we talked….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that gravity is caused by rotation.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: there'd be no rotation.

Russ: so if there is no rotation, there’s no gravity or there is less gravity depending on how much rotation there is.

Kiri: can we find spherical object for second please?

Shane: a what?

Russ: spherical one?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh a ball, ball, ball.

Kiri: a ball or a cylindrical object.

Russ: here’s an orange, does that help?

Kiri: that helps, perfect. 

Kiri: okay.
 
Russ: one orange.

Kiri: put it on the center there. Okay, see what happened?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: let me do it. God, can’t trust men. (Skip chuckles) Okay, one orange, this is your nuclei for your imploding star. Okay, this here and it’s good that it's visible, is a black hole. Lets get it moving. Okay as it gets more and more dense and more and more stuff is pushed in, my hand is acting as a force pushing in, what’s happening to the hole?

Skip: getting deeper.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: getting deeper.

Kiri: so?

Skip: so you’re losing your…

Kiri: thank you.

Skip: so you’re losing your gravitational pull.

Russ: that doesn’t make sense though, isn’t it like a whirlpool that as you go deeper it goes faster?

Kiri: no, it doesn’t work that way.

Skip: probably the deeper you go the slower it would get.

Russ: in a whirlpool? No I’ve done the thing with pennies where it’s going down and it spins faster.

Skip: now wait a minute, wait a minute, a whirlpool pulls from out to the edge of it. As you go down through the center of it you hit nothing, it doesn’t whirl anymore down there, it just sucks down.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: now what is happening is as the black hole gets deeper, the fabric of the space around it is bent and as it bends down right? Of course all matter gets sucked in and as more matter get sucked in, the deeper it pushes down which means that it becomes less of a pull because it is getting longer and longer. Now when you reach the event horizon you could actually cross over the lip of the black hole. A massive black hole you could cross over the lip into it and you can go down but as soon as you reach the event horizon 

(she claps her hands loudly) 

Kiri: it’s got you, there is no escape. That’s it, it’s over. Now, sorry, you were going to…

Shane: is it like a Venus fly trap?

Skip: is it like a Venus fly trap?
 
Kiri: yes exactly, like a Venus fly trap, it’s got you.

Russ: so is there a way to break out before it gets to the event horizon?

Kiri: of course.

Skip: but where is that, the event horizon?

Kiri: the event horizon is that instant just where you can go either way. You can get out or you can go in but as soon as you pass the event horizon, that split second and it is a split second, a millionth of a second.

Skip: that would be……

Russ: but where you go once you enter the event horizon?

Kiri: you accelerate and accelerate beyond the speed of light but, when you approach the speed of light, you are traveling so fast that time no longer matters. Time stands still so you would not be aware that you had gone over the event horizon because the acceleration is so phenomenally fast, time would stand still and you would cease to exist and you would be returned to the universe as radiation energy. Now, somebody mentioned critical mass.

Russ: hmm.

Shane: critical what?

Skip: critical mass.

Kiri: critical mass and what happens with critical mass?

Skip: it explodes.

Kiri: uh-huh, somebody actually had an answer to my next question without realizing it. Okay my next question is, what happens when the amount of energy is equal to the amount that is left outside of a black hole?

Skip: hmm, it exploded.

Kiri: now who said that originally?

Skip: it was Einstein wasn’t it?

Kiri: no, who in this room?

Skip: oh.

Kiri: or that room down there.

Russ: you did.

Kiri: uh-uh.

Russ: I mean Skip did.

Kiri: uh-uh.

Vicki: Shane.

Kiri: Shane did. Somebody answered the next question by thinking ahead. What happens when you reach critical mass of a black hole when it has the equal amount of energy inside and outside?

Skip: it explodes.

Kiri: now when that happens......this is where gets very interesting........as a black hole explodes, it has sucked in so much matter that it cannot hold any more, obviously otherwise it would not explode. When that happens, something wonderful occurs.

Shane: what’s that?

Kiri: something fantastic.

Russ: energy creation?

Kiri: uh-uh.

Shane: a new life?

Kiri: much more beautiful than new life but new life comes from it. Okay, when a black hole explodes and it can only explode when it reaches that critical mass and that can only happen when what?

Shane: it can’t hold anymore.

Kiri: true but there is one reason why it can’t hold anymore.

Shane: oh.

Russ: it’s gotten too deep.

Kiri: uh-uh.

Skip: no, its energy has built up to a point where it can’t hold anymore, it can’t compress anymore, it has to explode.

Kiri: uh-huh, I'll give you a clue, it involves other black holes too.

Skip: well it would create a new galaxy.

Kiri: getting close.

Russ: it warps.

Kiri: uh-uh but no, there’s only one way that it can occur. Here’s your black hole, here’s another one.

Skip: it could go into another black hole or form a black hole between them. 

(Kiri makes a sucking sound)

Skip: the one sucked the other in.

Kiri: sucked it in. Here’s a star......

(she makes another sucking sound)

Kiri: here’s another star, here’s a galaxy, here’s another galaxy, here’s another black hole that’s been doing the same thing. In fact they're the last two left.

Russ: Big Bang.

Kiri: that’s it, it’s not a big crunch. It’s not a big crunch at the end because everything has already been compressed prior to that point. Two black holes meet, they’ve got extreme equal amounts of mass. One tries to suck into the other one, the other one tries to suck the other one in. They fight, what happens from that fight?

Shane: they kill each other.

Kiri: pretty close to it, they have equal amounts of matter and energy stored within them.

Skip: they would cancel each other out.

Kiri: and?

(Kiri claps her hands together)

Skip: collapse.

Kiri: collapse into each other, in turn what happens when you have two negatives?

Skip: they blow each other away.

Kiri: that’s right, they blow each other to pieces.

Skip: yep.

Kiri: and in doing so you get?

Skip: the Big Bang.

Kiri: that's correct.

Russ: that implies multiple Big Bangs though.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: well what makes you think that they’re not happening now? They’re just too far away from us to realize that they’re happening.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and don’t forget, what we’re watching now through telescopes and photographs has happened a million years ago.

Russ: well they got that new x-ray telescope they just launched, it's designed to see black holes.

Skip: right, we'll be able to see black holes but what we're still looking at is our past.

Kiri: anything is from the past. Shane, the image that you’re seeing of the host body right now is in the past. Very slippery concept huh?

Shane: no, because someone told me something a long time ago.

Kiri: okay what is it?

Shane: tomorrow is always today but today is always yesterday.

Kiri: okay bring that to the now. Light traveling from the body of the host that you see reaches your eye. It’s got to travel. It may be a billionth of a second but it’s still in the past. It may be 10 billion, billionths of a second but it’s still in the past. Every image you see is in the past, even if it is only a inperceptual past, it’s in the past.

Skip: but what we’re seeing in the skies are millions and millions of years ago.

Shane: uh-huh.

Skip: okay Hon.

Kiri: I’m taking up too much time.

Skip: yep and we're running into some pretty deep conversations here.

Kiri: uh-huh.