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                 (Omal talks about finding
                      what makes one happy and working with that so when
                      things do go bad you can stay positive. We look at
                      conditions where someone knows only happiness or
                      just sadness but it is determined in the end you
                      don’t actually have to know both.)
 
 
 Omal:
                                  greetings and felicitations, greetings
                                  Skip, greetings Russ.
 
 Russ: greetings Omal.
 
 Skip: good evening Omal.
 
 Omal: and how is everyone functioning?
 
 Russ: excellent.
 
 Skip: excellent, great and getting
                                  better.
 
 Omal: that is good. Congratulations
                                  Skip.
 
 Skip: oh thank you sir, I appreciate
                                  that.
 
 Omal: you are welcome. And how does it
                                  feel to be no longer a single man?
 
 Skip: very, very, nice.
 
 Omal: that is good. Okay, let me
                                  continue with Kiri’s comments and Russ
                                  you were good to pick up on the
                                  contradiction, I was going to bring
                                  that up but it is not necessary. What
                                  Kiri has decided to open up is an
                                  interesting learning experience which
                                  is something that unfortunately is
                                  frequently neglected is the happiness
                                  of oneself with oneself.
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: the understanding that to be in
                                  harmony with yourself means that you
                                  are in harmony with everything and
                                  Kiri has somewhat jumped around the
                                  edges of dealing with focusing in on
                                  achieving that happiness first before
                                  expanding out. And it is not a long,
                                  drawn out, protracted, self-defeating
                                  purpose but a purpose that you focus
                                  within yourself so that you can become
                                  contented with who you are. And it is
                                  a short process that first of all you
                                  have to accept who you are, not as
                                  Kiri put it some idealized version of
                                  some movie star, it is important to be
                                  contented with what you are given,
                                  what you start off life with. And your
                                  body constantly changes as it
                                  progresses through its natural,
                                  evolutionary cycle to a better
                                  condition to the point where you now
                                  have the abilities to develop yourself
                                  in happiness, being who you are. And
                                  in doing so you achieve the harmony
                                  around you, you become more
                                  contactable by others, other creatures
                                  of your planet, other spiritual
                                  entities which brings you up higher
                                  which in turn increases your happiness
                                  and you feel happier, you transmit
                                  that happiness and in turn it is
                                  returned to you again with a higher
                                  level of happiness. So to be unhappy
                                  with who you are means that you have
                                  less of that happiness and people do
                                  not reflect it back at you which does
                                  not increase itself so you stay at
                                  that level where you’re neither
                                  regressing or advancing, you stay an
                                  unhappy individual. But, as soon as
                                  you start to smile and are happy and
                                  contented with who you are, that is
                                  reflected to other people who in turn
                                  reflect it back amplified and you in
                                  turn feel more happiness and reflect
                                  it out even more and so on in an
                                  escalating pattern which continually
                                  gets better. Of course there are
                                  moments where you have to deal with
                                  negative situations but if you
                                  maintain that happy, external
                                  experience, then you do not subtract
                                  from it when you have to deal with
                                  negative or depressing or harmful
                                  situations. Okay, do we have
                                  questions?
 
 Russ: ten or twelve.
 
 Omal: okay let us start off with Skip
                                  and we will go backwards and forwards
                                  if you have some questions that is
                                  Skip.
 
 Skip: well, I guess I operated my
                                  whole life under the positive aspect
                                  of it which made me feel more
                                  appreciated because I respect other
                                  people because I respect myself.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Skip: and like you say, it reflects
                                  back to you more than twofold,
                                  whatever you give out you always get
                                  back.
 
 Omal: that is correct.
 
 Skip: and I’m trying to teach my
                                  grandson this and he’s slowly getting
                                  the lesson........
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Skip: but he is a young man and he’s
                                  growing and it just takes time.
 
 Omal: well did you pick it up to start
                                  off with as quickly as you do now?
 
 Skip: no.
 
 Omal: so you have to remember….
 
 Skip: well, I have a little comment
                                  that I always tell the kids, when I
                                  was 15 my dad was the dumbest
                                  individual I had ever met in my life
                                  and by the time I turned 21 he was
                                  pretty smart.
 
 Omal: uh-huh.
 
 Skip: in other words I was pretty
                                  stupid, I knew everything at 15.
 
 Omal: that is correct.
 
 Skip: and by the time I got to 21 I
                                  realized that hey I wasn’t that smart,
                                  it was just my dad that was that
                                  smart. And I try to instill this in
                                  the young people and they’re slowly
                                  learning, they’re slowly learning.
 
 Omal: it is something that takes time.
 
 Skip: yeah.
 
 Omal: but all beings go through that
                                  learning phase, whether it is over
                                  many years or a few days, all beings
                                  go through that learning experience to
                                  accept that we do not know everything.
 
 Skip: yeah.
 
 Omal: I do not know everything, I am
                                  not some super intelligent,
                                  pan-dimensional being. I'm certainly a
                                  pan-dimensional being but I’m not
                                  super intelligent, not by those that
                                  are my idols, the people that I look
                                  up to, they are far more intelligent
                                  than I am. It is like comparing
                                  yourself to the feline, you are far
                                  more intelligent than the average
                                  feline but there again there are
                                  people that are more intelligent than
                                  you.
 
 Skip: oh yeah.
 
 Omal: to come to that balance and
                                  accepting as Kiri puts it who you are
                                  is very important and once you accept
                                  that, then you can help others by
                                  aiding them in your learning process
                                  by saying, "this is what I’ve
                                  learned." Dealing with the younger
                                  people of your species, they seem to
                                  forget that you were once their age
                                  too.
 
 Skip: yeah.
 
 Omal: it may have been some time ago
                                  but the things that they think, you
                                  think or thought, the way that they
                                  behave, you behaved.
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: to quote one of your famous
                                  earth sayings, "as I am now, so you
                                  shall be." And that is something that
                                  they do not understand that you were
                                  once just as young, just as foolish,
                                  just as smart, just as witty, just as
                                  mischievous as they are now. Certainly
                                  the tools around them are different
                                  than from earlier times but the
                                  physical experiences do not change.
 
 Skip: they’re all the same.
 
 Omal: uh-huh. Okay let us go to Russ’
                                  question.
 
 Russ: okay. I don't have all that many
                                  I was just joking but the one thing I
                                  do have is that when we're growing up
                                  we have around us so many examples of
                                  other people’s happiness and other
                                  people’s sadness and tragedies and we
                                  always want to emulate or reach those
                                  persons who have the happiness and
                                  usually try to follow their examples
                                  that they went through in the hopes
                                  that was the secret that led to their
                                  happiness and maybe it will bring us
                                  some too. So sometimes that means
                                  getting as much money as you can or
                                  getting the best job or the best wife
                                  or the best car, whatever that made
                                  those people happy is what you think
                                  will make you happy. And then you look
                                  at people who live in monasteries or
                                  communes and things who have nothing
                                  and yet they’re very happy. And it’s
                                  like well which way do I go?
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Russ: do I have nothing and try to go
                                  that way and try to live in a commune
                                  and see if I’m happy there or do I go
                                  become rich and see if I have all my
                                  problems taken away because I don’t
                                  have to worry about money anymore? And
                                  I’m telling you it’s a lot of
                                  conflicts I think in people as they
                                  grow up and try to decide which way to
                                  become happy when actually it is
                                  really all in themselves to find that
                                  but there’s the question, how do they
                                  actually focus in on what will make
                                  them happy without actually having to
                                  go through these other experiences to
                                  do so?
 
 Omal: unfortunately it is trial and
                                  error, I cannot give you a set pattern
                                  because one size does not fit all. I
                                  can say for me I did this, I did that,
                                  it brought me happiness but it may not
                                  work for either of you.
 
 Russ: definitely won’t work for either
                                  of us.
 
 Skip: I done the same thing, I’ve done
                                  the exact same thing.
 
 Omal: you have to find what it is that
                                  makes you happy. Is it helping people,
                                  is it struggling, is it a combination
                                  of the two, is it something else, is
                                  it creating something with your hands,
                                  is it talking, is it sitting down and
                                  dwelling deep within, is it all of
                                  those, is it none of those? First of
                                  all you have to look within yourself
                                  before you can look without and the
                                  answers are normally very close to the
                                  surface that you can find readily and
                                  quickly. To understand that you have
                                  to be self-reliant is the next step,
                                  nobody can make you happy, you first
                                  have to make yourself happy. As Kiri
                                  said, first use the brain before you
                                  learn other things, you have to think
                                  before you do anything else. What
                                  brings happiness, what makes you
                                  contented? Having achieved that, then
                                  you can go out and be a happy maker,
                                  making other people happy so that it
                                  reflects back on yourself and in turn
                                  you give more so that they give more
                                  back and so on. It is like depositing
                                  money in a bank account, the more that
                                  you put in, the more that you get
                                  back. But it is not one thing, it is
                                  many things, one size does not fit
                                  all. Okay, next question please.
 
 Skip: that’s sufficient for me.
 
 Omal: okay let us deal to Mr. 11
                                  questions left.
 
 Russ: no I actually have a two-parter
                                  though.
 
 Omal: okay.
 
 Russ: okay. When you
                                  are......experience happiness, you
                                  actually have to go out and you have
                                  to experience sadness and troubles and
                                  things that make you really depressed
                                  in your life to really understand the
                                  opposite of that is being happy. With
                                  that, you have to kind of I guess come
                                  to the realization at some point in
                                  your life that all of that was some
                                  kind of a lesson that helped you grow
                                  into being happy. I myself have gone
                                  through many experiences where I went
                                  to the pits of despair but now I can
                                  just look back on them as just well
                                  that was a great lesson to go through.
                                  But when you’re the middle of those
                                  pits of despair, there’s nothing that
                                  you think will ever bring you back up
                                  again and it’s really kind of, where
                                  do you find that single ray of hope in
                                  that pits of despair? I mean a lot of
                                  people find it in religion, a lot of
                                  people find it just little things but
                                  I know nothing is all one thing for
                                  everyone but is there something like
                                  an idea that could be brought out to
                                  help in that point?
 
 Omal: yes, one very simple one,
                                  planning on how to get out of that
                                  predicament. If you do this you know
                                  that will happen so you have to plan
                                  moment-by-moment on your improvements.
                                  But it is a misconception that you
                                  seem to be very well unknowing of that
                                  you have to have the negative to
                                  experience the positive. You do not.
                                  If you have negative experiences it
                                  makes the happy moments more enjoyable
                                  but if you never have a negative
                                  moment you're constantly happy. You
                                  never know what it is to experience
                                  pain, suffering or as you put it the
                                  depths of despair, those are unknown
                                  to you. So it is a misconception to
                                  say that you have to have both, you do
                                  not have to have both and the reason
                                  is and a very simple reason is why?
                                  You don’t need despair to appreciate
                                  happiness, you know happiness for what
                                  it is. It makes you feel good, it
                                  makes you feel well but you do have to
                                  have happiness to understand and
                                  appreciate and find the struggle in
                                  despair because without it you do not
                                  know any different. If you’re
                                  constantly in an environment where it
                                  is despair, despair, despair,
                                  depressed, depressed, depressed and
                                  you have never experienced happiness
                                  that is all you know. Happiness is
                                  unknown to you and it’s the same with
                                  being constantly happy, despair and
                                  depression is an unknown to you. So to
                                  say that you have to have one to
                                  experience the other is wrong but it
                                  becomes known that despair is a bad
                                  place when you experience happiness
                                  but if you experience just happiness,
                                  despair is unknown to you. You
                                  understand?
 
 Russ: uh-huh.
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Omal: okay second part please.
 
 Russ: okay, when you have this despair
                                  or the happiness, isn’t it something
                                  like a drug, kind of like a need to
                                  have that happiness to be constantly
                                  happy because happiness does make you
                                  healthier and despair makes you
                                  sicker?
 
 Omal: I refer you to the answer I gave
                                  two moments ago. You do not know
                                  better if you have never experienced
                                  one or the other.
 
 Skip: well I think we all put
                                  ourselves in a position of despair or
                                  depression or whatever and then work
                                  our way out of it and I really believe
                                  that.
 
 Omal: it is for a reason that when you
                                  do that you do that for a reason but
                                  if you’ve never experienced one or the
                                  other you do not know better or you do
                                  not know worse.
 
 Russ: hmmm.
 
 Omal: if despair is a constant
                                  situation that you experience
                                  continually, then how do you know what
                                  happiness is?
 
 Skip: or vice a versa.
 
 Omal: correct.
 
 Skip: uh-huh, but I think we do that
                                  to ourselves, I really believe we do.
 
 Omal: you could be right, you could be
                                  very right. Okay next question please.
 
 Russ: no that’s it.
 
 Skip: that’s…..
 
 Omal: that is it?
 
 Skip: that's it, thank you very much.
 
 Omal: I despair sometimes.
 
 (we both break into laughter)
 
 Skip: thanks Omal.
 
 Omal: in the 3 ½ weeks that we have
                                  had I have been studying your humor.
 
 Russ: well you’re doing quite better.
 
 Omal: thank you.
 
 Russ: as opposed to those first
                                  attempts.
 
 Omal: I have had some dismal failures
                                  that is so depressing but now it is
                                  something I hope to be able to inflect
                                  a little bit better into a more
                                  humorous environment. I’ve always
                                  stated using humor is a very useful
                                  learning tool.
 
 Russ: always.
 
 Omal: and I will repeat my phrasing
                                  from some time ago that you remember
                                  the lessons more easily if they’re
                                  humorous.
 
 Skip: that's correct.
 
 Russ: that was a long time ago.
 
 Omal: long time ago?
 
 Skip: yeah.
 
 Russ: yeah.
 
 Omal: maybe to you it was, to me it
                                  was a blinking of the eye.
 
 Skip: yeah right but you are correct.
 
 Omal: uh-huh. Okay, as you do not have
                                  any more questions, I will say live
                                  long, prosper and, I’ll be back.
 
 Skip: thanks Omal.
 
 Russ: thanks Omal.
 
 
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