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                 (Karra helps our guest’s
                      grandson out with a problem he had been having
                      with bullying and how best to deal with that. She
                      has faced the same sibling rivalry that the
                      grandson was going through so on both matters she
                      was able to offer some helpful advice.)
 
 
 Karra: okay,
                                  questions.
 
 Shane: which one are you?
 
 Karra: I’m the healer, I’m Karra.
 
 Shane: okay, all right you know how
                                  people get hurt….
 
 Karra: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: and other people take care of
                                  them?
 
 Karra: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: I’m not saying this is
                                  everybody but like okay if every time
                                  they get hurt and other people take
                                  care of them, sometimes I think if
                                  everybody takes care of them every
                                  time they get hurt they won’t learn to
                                  do it on their own.
 
 Karra: it depends on what the hurt is.
                                  For example, if you were to severely
                                  reconfigure a limb, would you be able
                                  to take care of that?
 
 Shane: I know there’s some situations
                                  you have to do it but there’s other
                                  situations where you can do it by
                                  yourself or other people can help you
                                  do it and it just gets me because I’m
                                  not saying for everybody, like
                                  sometimes little kids want attention
                                  and some other people want
                                  attention.......
 
 Karra: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: so every time they do it they
                                  won’t let their mom or dad to take
                                  care of them. I don’t understand that,
                                  after they get older or something like
                                  that and they….
 
 Karra: and they continue to rely on
                                  other people to help them.
 
 Shane: yeah.
 
 Karra: why?
 
 Shane: I don’t know.
 
 Karra: it is because they do not want
                                  to face and pay the piper as it were,
                                  they don’t want to face the music.
 
 Shane: okay, if they don’t have a
                                  choice and there’s nobody around to
                                  help them…..
 
 Karra: they will be quite capable of
                                  handling it themselves. I think you’re
                                  asking the question for a specific
                                  reason.
 
 Shane: I’ve seen it happen many times
                                  and sometimes it gets me irritated.
 
 Karra: then learn from that for your
                                  self-betterment.
 
 Shane: I do.
 
 Karra: uh-huh, that’s good but I think
                                  you are asking because somebody in
                                  your life irritates you in that way.
 
 Shane: sometimes, sometimes not.
 
 Karra: that person is learning to
                                  readjust themselves. My little sister
                                  is a great one of having good insight
                                  sometimes and I can read between the
                                  lines too very easily.
 
 Shane: it’s not one person, it’s
                                  several persons.
 
 Karra: it is a group of persons.
 
 Shane: yes.
 
 Karra: uh-huh, but they are learning
                                  to grow.
 
 Shane: sure don’t seem like it.
 
 (Skip laughs)
 
 Skip: I knew that was coming.
 
 Karra: yep, they are.
 
 Skip: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: I got another question.
 
 Karra: okay.
 
 Shane: I’ve seen this happen several
                                  times also.
 
 Karra: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: like they'll be mean to their
                                  little brothers or sisters….
 
 Karra: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: they hurt them or something and
                                  make them cry and then they act like
                                  they got hurt too and they start
                                  crying too because they don’t want to
                                  get in trouble?
 
 Karra: you’ve answered your question.
 
 Shane: but why would they do that?
                                  Because they already know they’re
                                  going to get in trouble either way and
                                  they start crying, why do that?
 
 Karra: it is to lessen the punishment
                                  or to attempt to lessen the
                                  punishment. Yes, any questions?
 
 Russ: did you ever do that Karra?
 
 Karra: actually I never hurt my little
                                  sister as there is the age difference.
                                  I was already at university when she
                                  was born.
 
 Shane: so you were old enough to know
                                  better.
 
 Karra: correct.
 
 Shane: and understand.
 
 Karra: correct.
 
 Shane: okay.
 
 Karra: it is not something that comes
                                  with age and wisdom.
 
 Shane: well, what I notice a lot is
                                  the closest ones….
 
 Karra: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: the closest ones in the family
                                  fight a lot and the ones that are far
                                  apart don't fight as much, they get
                                  along a lot better than the closest
                                  ones.
 
 Karra: it is because that the older
                                  ones are more aware of what is being
                                  taught to them and they recall how
                                  they felt whereas if they're separated
                                  by a year or two it is not so easy to
                                  see the difference.
 
 Shane: true.
 
 Karra: the further apart, the more
                                  easier and more tolerant an individual
                                  is to see what was and see themselves
                                  within the person and to remember from
                                  the person’s behavior, action and
                                  injuries of their own. Yes?
 
 Russ: sort of like how our children
                                  do?
 
 Karra: uh-huh. Okay……
 
 Russ: because Klarra takes care of
                                  David and Michael.
 
 (Ed. note: Karra's younger daughter
                                  who take care of the twins of Karra
                                  and myself)
 
 Karra: yes, there is that age
                                  difference.
 
 Russ: right.
 
 Karra: and I know Alana would take
                                  care of any of my children, any of her
                                  sisters and brothers.
 
 (Karra's oldest daughter)
 
 Russ: right.
 
 Shane: I’ve got a question.
 
 Karra: uh-huh.
 
 Shane: you know how people like when
                                  they first meet you and don’t know you
                                  and they already look down on you, why
                                  is that?
 
 Karra: it’s something that I think you
                                  would call……..well first of all they
                                  don’t know you, how do you fix it?
 
 Shane: I don’t pay no attention to it
                                  but it still bugs me.
 
 Karra: obviously you do pay attention
                                  to it because it does bug you.
 
 Shane: oh, I didn’t know that.
 
 Karra: then say to yourself, “okay, if
                                  they look down on me, so what. I am
                                  who I am, take me as I am not as you
                                  want me to be.
 
 Shane: well they don’t know who you
                                  are so they can’t really say nothing
                                  bad.
 
 Russ: well Shane, each of us have our
                                  own special qualities. No matter how
                                  anybody views you or what you do or
                                  what their opinion is of you, you have
                                  special things apart from them that
                                  they don’t have or never will have
                                  sometimes.
 
 Shane: hmmm.
 
 Russ: and you have to look at your
                                  strong points and realize that you're
                                  special for various reasons and they
                                  don’t understand those reasons.
 
 Shane: all right.
 
 Karra: okay, thank you.
 
 Russ: thank you love.
 
 Karra: you’re welcome hon. Okay, I
                                  will see you later.
 
 Shane: goodbye.
 
 Karra: and have a fun evening
                                  everyone.
 
 Shane: you too.
 
 
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