(Kiri explains Leonedies and the special status that comes with being a super operant and some of the restrictions that come with have all five abilities. We find that their percentage to the general population of the planet is the reason for the different rights and privileges than the rest of the population. Probably the most amazing thing we learned is the self-sacrifice required if in a situation where one of you must give up your lives, the super operant needs to live.) 

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Russ: okay, what about education, how about if you have kids, is it mandatory that they go to school then?

Kiri: no.

Russ: do they pay for it if they go to school?

Kiri: no, education is totally free.

Russ: okay, but they don’t have to go?

Kiri: they don’t have to go, that is your choice…..

Russ: okay.

Kiri: as a parent. Because don’t forget, we don’t get our full memories and everything until we reach 21……ish……

(memories of all their past lives)

Russ: right.

Kiri: normally later than before.

Russ: okay, so basically they might wait till 21 to send them to school?

Kiri: well hopefully they will be fully educated by the time they get that old.

Russ: right, that's what I was thinking.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and school lasts for much longer?

Kiri: however long the person wishes. Take for example Leonedies……

Russ: right.

Kiri: he’s already reading, he’s not even three yet.

Russ: right, I wouldn’t think he'd even need school.

Kiri: he’s going to go to school, he’s going to learn things.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: that is because I wish it to be so and he understands the fact that I wish it to be so but he is learning things.

Russ: right.

Kiri: it is quite normal for a super operant to be reading things equivalent to technical manuals on your planet.

Russ: right.

Kiri: yeah, how to build an engine, how to build a jet engine.

Russ: well schools also teach him interaction with people other than his family.

Kiri: that’s correct, correct. There is a lot more emphasis on that kind of thing than just learning how to read, learning how to do maths, he can do some of that already.

Russ: now can you tell a parent, I mean can a parent tell when a child is born, due to their access to their lives, whether or not that child has the first time on sixth dimension?

Kiri: not really, it’s a little bit different with your own children.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: we will take them to specialists. It’s kind of like because they are my genes and Mark’s genes, we really can't see or I know Mark can’t see that well, it’s very foggy. I see a mixture of lives when I look at Leonedies, I see a mixture of lives when I look at……

Russ: Alex.

Kiri: Alex. When I look at the Cubs, I know.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but I’m bound not to tell.

Russ: now when you take them to the specialist, does the specialist charge you anything?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: a service?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: okay, what would you do for the specialist?

Kiri: the specialist that I took Alex and Leonedies to wanted a swimsuit.

Russ: oh okay, that makes it pretty easy.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and then you have vast quantities of wine that you can…….

Kiri: that I can also trade.

Russ: work would yeah if you have to.

Kiri: and if he wanted his wife looked at I would’ve obliged.

(Russ starts laughing)

Kiri: she’s a fox.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: I would’ve been delighted to have her in for……instead of just having a holo to work with I would’ve liked her in for a physical……

Russ: okay.

Kiri: so that I could have had her stand there and I would’ve given her the best, best possible fit.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: and then when I had Leonedies done, they charged me I think it was two cases of wine and then they gave the two cases of wine back because they couldn’t see.

Russ: they couldn’t see?

Kiri: he was blocking.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he didn’t want to be seen.

Kiri: that’s right.

Russ: for good reason which we know now.

Kiri: yes. Which at the time raised a whole load of questions on why was he blocking........

Russ: I remember those questions.

Kiri: yeah and it was sort of like well he’s a super operant, super operant’s can do that, they can be very private individuals.

Russ: right.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: but now what makes them specialists, because their psychic skills and clairvoyance is more highly tuned than others?

Kiri: they read past lives better.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: they will sit down and they will talk to the child on a mental level and they will put the child basically into a state of relaxation where the child can be open to be read, to access the area that is blocked, the child does not know.

Russ: oh I see.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but he knew.

Kiri: yeah he knew, Leonedies knew.

Russ: now what about medical skills, are those free for everyone….

Kiri: yes.

Russ: within Ashtar command and so on?

Kiri: yes, unless it’s cosmetic.

Russ: right.

Kiri: let’s say like Tia had, she wanted bigger breasts because she felt a little bit…

Russ: well compared to you and Karra….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: she felt a little bit….

Russ: shortchanged?

Kiri: yes but personally I thought they were very pretty as they were anyway.

Russ: I thought so too.

Kiri: uh-huh but she wanted bigger breasts.

Russ: did she get them?

Kiri: yeah, she took some tablets.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: but that’s a luxury.

Russ: I hadn’t even noticed.

Kiri: well she…..God it was a while ago.

Russ: oh that’s why.

Kiri: it was like four years ago.

Russ: oh okay. So that was a luxury……

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so she paid for that was some service herself.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: I see, okay.

Kiri: basically what she did was some bookwork if my memory serves right.

Russ: oh, that’s not too bad.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. But other than that, rejuvenation and everything…..

Kiri: rejuvenation is totally free unless you are one of the very, very fortunate ones that has a self-rejuvenation capability.

Russ: oh, not very common I take it.

Kiri: not very common, it’s about one in a million and seeing as we only have a population on the planet of maybe 20 million….

Russ: that’s all your population is on Sirius?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: seems like I thought it was more.

Kiri: what is more on sister worlds and bases and stuff, we probably have a population of maybe 22, 23 million in total.

Russ: well I went to Alpha Centauri once….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and I saw their prison system there…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but as I stated then, it was an interesting system of punishment you have…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: where the person actually punishes themselves.

Kiri: yeah unless they are……they know they’ve done something wrong unless they are that small, very small group that is mentally unbalanced.

Russ: I see. Now is the President of Sirius under the planetary Council?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: so let’s say your…..the president couldn't decide on your special species of flower….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: then it would go before the planetary Council.

Kiri: no, he has to decide.

Russ: oh he has to?

Kiri: he has to. The planetary Council deals with sister worlds, bases and so on.

Russ: they don’t deal with Sirius?

Kiri: no.

Russ: why not? Because that’s what the president's for.

Kiri: that’s correct.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: he reports to them.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: they do not tell him what to do and he cannot tell them what to do.

Russ: hmm, but they’re all on a good friendship basis?

Kiri: uh-huh, he can go to them for advice and they can come to him for advice but in ceremonial, they are the top.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and there is no president of the Council, there is no president of the planetary Council, they are all equal.

Russ: now don’t super operants come into a special category with all we're talking about with the barter system and everything?

Kiri: yes, yes very much so.

Russ: why? I mean for example, let’s take an example.

Kiri: okay for example, because they had access to all their past lives from the get-go…..

Russ: right.

Kiri: they are exempt from certain services. They have certain rights, the services that they're exempt from are medical unless they so desire to do so. For example, let’s say Alex develops an awesome healing ability…..

Russ: okay.

Kiri: right? He would be expected to become a healer……

Russ: nice.

Kiri: regardless of his interest if he becomes an awesome healer.

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? Let us say Leonedies became an awesome healer, he is exempt.

Russ: because he’s a super operant and he has…..

Kiri: much more important things. Let us say when he reaches adulthood right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: he desires a young lady.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: right? She has to be honest and upfront with him.

Russ: well she has to anyway.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: because he would know otherwise.

Kiri: correct but if she’s ovulating right? And he desires her and she's sort of like, “maybe”, she can’t go maybe, she has to. Because….

Russ: he’s seen all his past lives.

Kiri: he’s seen all his past lives, he knows all her past lives right? And if she’s ovulating, the chances of pregnancy are very good.

Russ: so his genes are worth more than any service he could provide.

Kiri: okay, is totally unallowed to go into any form of planetary defense service, he is totally not allowed to become a pilot or anything that would endanger his very existence.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: he is not allowed to do anything more than recreational ski, anything that endangers his life.

Russ: it almost sounds like he’s more controlled than you are.

Kiri: oh they’re very controlled. Once a year……..

Russ: is that because he’s a rare resource?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: they’ve got to be increasing with the genetic……

Kiri: oh they are, they are but it’s still a rare resource.

Russ: is it?

Kiri: uh-huh. There’s about one for every……it’s somewhere between a hundred thousand to 200,000.

Russ: what did it use to be?

Kiri: oh God, no it was about 500,000 to 700,000.

Russ: so at what point do you stop the controlling or you don’t have access to that?

Kiri: I don’t know, I don’t know.

Russ: no idea.

Kiri: now this is a hard one for me to figure out, well actually it’s not hard for me to figure out but it’s hard for me to totally understand. He will have to until he is incapable once a year leave a sperm sample.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: he has to give twice a year blood and tissue.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: he has to report in once every six months for a full physical checkup, physical and mental because of the very nature of super operants the fact that they sometimes implode.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: normally first-time super operants implode.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but all super operants have to go for mental checkups.

Russ: even though what we know about Leonedies?

(Leonedies is an eighth dimensional being in a sixth dimensional body that is three-years-old)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: well can you make an exemption? No.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and Leonedies will be the first to tell you when he’s being reasonable that you don’t make exemptions.

Russ: right.

Kiri: so you see the importance of the super operants and the reason why they are very controlled?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: they are not allowed to join with their twins, if their twins are super operants and they have the desire to make love with them, they cannot do that.

Russ: okay, big question why?

Kiri: because of the conflicting genes, they’re too close. Even if the gene pool in the family is totally clean in both families and has been for 10,000 years, they cannot.

Russ: but gene manipulation can be controlled? But for super operants it’s a different story.

Kiri: correct however, if they take precautions they can.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but it's basically you go to the official people, you get the precaution, you take the tablet, you have the shot……

Russ: and that’s why we’re having this discussion.

Kiri: hmm?

Russ: because of Leonedies.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: and the situation he’s in.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: right.

Kiri: yes (laughs), you’re leaking.

Russ: thank you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, so basically the whole society is structured but at the same time it’s structured in a very way that allows for more rights than less rights…..

Kiri: correct.

Russ: unless you’re a super operant.

Kiri: correct, super operants basically have no rights.

Russ: right.

Kiri: which is very, very sad.

Russ: does anybody.......does the super operants mind?

Kiri: no, they’re all very understanding about it. Now there is one thing that is I think you’ll find very hard to understand........

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but it goes with the importance of the super operants. If you are in a situation whether it’s either you or the super operant is going to die, you die........

Russ: right.

Kiri: regardless, you give your life up for the super operant. It was designed that way so that selfishness does not come into it. It doesn’t matter how important you are……let’s say my father for example and Leonedies were stranded on a boat in the middle of the ocean right?

Russ uh-huh.

Kiri: and they have no food. Now he’s the President……

Russ: right.

Kiri: he is expected to give up his life so that Leonedies could live. However, now this is the hard part, is that Leonedies would have to take over his position regardless of his age and do those duties. He would be expected to access the president’s past lives, access his current resting status and get all the information and basically let his body become a host until the service is over.

Russ: and people are taught this from a very early age?

Kiri: correct.

Russ: that super operants are to be kept safe and….

Kiri: uh-huh, protected.

Russ: you sacrifice yourself for them. Doesn’t this give people in your society this sort of separate view of super operants?

Kiri: yes, they are very separate and they’re pitied because they are so controlled.

Russ: so even though you have to give your life up for this guy….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you pity them?

Kiri: well would you like your private life totally infringed upon, dictating where you can and cannot go, what you can and cannot do?

Russ: no, of course not.

Kiri: that’s what happens to super operants.

Russ: does it change when you get up in the higher dimensions?

Kiri: yes totally, this is only on Sirius because we are…..have so few of them.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: I mean we probably have no more than maybe two or 3,000 on Sirius and sister worlds and on all the other bases, pure blood Sirians that are super operants.

Russ: wow.

Kiri: probably about 10 times that number of sub-super operant’s but not all sub-super operants end up being super operants in their next life. In fact a lot of sub-super operants, especially the more tweaky ones, have been sub-super operants before and a few of them have actually been super operants that have imploded on themselves. See it’s very hard to become a super operant.

Russ: yeah I guess so.

Kiri: I had an incident, oh God it must have been about 10 years ago where I had a super operant young lady who absolutely desired me.......

Russ: right.

Kiri: and I obliged.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: I had to oblige. I didn’t desire her.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and unfortunately she imploded oh, probably about a year, two years afterwards.

Russ: oh man.

Kiri: yeah. That was part of her mental problem, the way that I looked at it was the fact that I postponed it.

Russ: you had no…..but she’s a female and you’re a female…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore there’s no genetic need for her……

Kiri: it does not differentiate between male or female.

Russ: if she wants you she gets you.

Kiri: yeah. It does not differentiate, that would be a sexual bias, that is not permissible in Sirius society. Anything that is a sexual bias one way or the other is totally unacceptable.

Russ: hmm, strange though.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: poor girl.

Kiri: yes she just imploded and her doctors knew and she knew and that was all the people that knew.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: at the time I was going in for a medical checkup when I met her and she offered to buy me dinner, so we went out to dinner and she got drunk, I got a little buzzed and we went back to her place and I said, "I'll put her to bed and everything" and she goes, “I want you, come.” She was pretty good as well.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: she didn’t have any children, she had one of a rare defect of that she was totally sterile.

Russ: did you have any......your past lives yet?

Kiri: then?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so could you see a past life that you had with her?

Kiri: no, for her it was a one-night thing and apparently she was going through people like nobody’s business…….

Russ: oh really?

Kiri: male, female, she didn’t care.

Russ: so she knew she was going to implode.

Kiri: uh-huh, she knew she was going to implode and she was just enjoying it until she reached the other side before the implosion where she goes right over that there's no going back.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and then it’s kind of like a manic-depressive, it just goes down and down and down and they sequester them away and give them medication and basically they just don’t want to live anymore, it’s too much for them.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well thank you Kiri, that was very informative.