(Kiri reveals a warp engine fuel source is possible on our world but not the materials needed to build one. She also reveals how the efficiency of the ships of other races compare to those of the base and relates a theory from Earth on how traveling through warped space works.) 

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Skip: I have a question I hope you can answer it, you don't have to tell me the elements okay?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: in this.....like I said, I'm still working on this warp engine.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: the application of the.....see if I can word this right. I don't want to get you out over a barrel. The chemicals or combination of propellants is available to us at the present time?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: okay, all right. To create a warp engine?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: metals also?

Kiri: no.

Skip: ah-hah, that's what I was afraid of, that's what I was afraid of. Because I was...there has to be something. And this has got to be a biochemical engine?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: we don't have the metal to control it.

Kiri: correct.

Skip: okay, all right.

Kiri: to contain....

Skip: okay no, no. You have to go any further, that's all I've got to hear about.

Kiri: I can say what I'm about to say as I'm transmitting to Omal and he goes, "hmmm, gray area, try it". And I.....

Skip: I just don't want to get you in trouble.

Kiri: yeah I don't think you would quite.....you might understand it, that's the risk that we're going to take is that it's not a metal that is going to be used. It's not a metal that you have at present. It is a combination of substances that have a high....

Skip: energy source?

Kiri: no, a high resistance to heat. For example, you take a heat tile from the space shuttle right?

Skip: yeah it's black sand.

Kiri: you get your blowtorch right? And you put it on the top side of the tile that's facing out.

Skip: uh-huh, you can hold it your hand.

Kiri: yeah exactly.

Skip: I know.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I know what black sand is.

Kiri: yeah, okay. There is a number of substances needed to contain that kind of explosive force that will be able to be channeled and focused in a controlled way.

Skip: okay all right, okay all right, okay. Enough, enough.

Kiri: there you can see that I'm editing myself very severely here.

Skip: yeah, yeah, just enough. Just enough okay?

Kiri: okay but you get the picture?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: I mean if it wasn't for all this damn editing and stuff, I could set you up for....

Skip: don't worry about it, don't worry about it we'll get there, we'll get there eventually. I just.....my biggest problem is, is I can't recall........

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: from my engineering experience.

(from a past life)

Kiri: uh-huh, how to do it.

Skip: I can't recall my engineering experience period okay?

Kiri: well you get flashes of it, flashes of it from time to time.

Skip: yeah once in a while.

Kiri: yeah, but the problem....

Skip: this 3-D world's interfering with me.

Kiri: yeah I know, I know, I know. The way to look at it is when you do figure it out, you've got to design it in such a way that you filter out the waste and turn the waste into a useful, safe tool. Otherwise, you're going to end up with people doing what my mother did which is the what you would call the "Spock routine". The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one or the few.

(Kiri and Karra's mother was an engineer on a space ship that developed engine trouble and she sacrificed herself to save the ship and its crew fixing it)

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri:: but if you can't, it doesn't matter it's.....

Skip: it's got a be recycle engine.

Kiri: well that's what I'm saying would be nice.

Skip: it's got to be a recycle engine.

Kiri uh-huh.

Skip: because if you have waste, you're only using 80% of the potential.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because the waste is 20%.

Kiri: that's right. That's what they have on the third dimension is what we have been discussing is third dimensional, higher-technology engines that you guys don't have access to.

Skip: yeah and they're 20% waste.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: fumes, whatever. There's still a 20% waste. I don't care what engine talking about in 3-D, there's still a 20% waste.

Kiri: correct. To have a ship that runs at 99% of efficiency.........

Skip: it's got to be higher than that if it's going to go warp.

Kiri: no, they run at 80% efficiency, ones that travel at warp speed.

Skip: 80%?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: hmm.

Kiri: they don't work quite the way that you're thinking that they work.

Skip: you can't do that.

Kiri: yes you can, yes you can.

Skip: no you can't. Now wait a minute, don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to dispute your knowledge.

Kiri: oh no, no, no, no, no, I know that.

Skip: I don't mean it that way. What I'm doing is editing my own thoughts.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: but if you have a 20% waste on any engine.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it's not self-sustaining.

Kiri: no it's not.

Skip: it's not self-sustaining.

Kiri: they need refueling.

Skip: that's right so you have to have......90% still isn't giving you a self-sustaining engine.

Kiri: no. 99.999 is what the engines up here run on. It's actually even higher than that.

Skip: that is right at the very, very edge of complete self-sustaining.

Kiri: correct. If let's say we have a quantity of fuel and we're using the same fuel that you're using right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you take the fuel, let's say it's an ounce of fuel and an ounce of fuel will get you on your planet a mile.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: we take the same ounce of fuel, we put it into one of our transportation devices right? And we can get over one light year of energy from that ounce of fuel.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: in actual fact that ounce of fuel, if you're traveling in a warp capacity, will give you unlimited distance due to the fact of the area that you travel in when you reach the required dimensional specifications. Where the fuel is actually used is in the entry and the exit. So you take an ounce of fuel and you can travel let's say oh a million light years with that fuel and that is because of entry and exiting. Now the thing is that the further you travel, the more fuel that you need for your reentry.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so that fuel will burn totally, be used. You can travel a million light years on that piece of fuel. Half of it will be used....well actually about a quarter is used on entry.....on exiting and then three quarters is used on exiting.

Skip: okay.........biochemical engine.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: biochemical.

Kiri: now there is a popular theory on your planet that I've just been handed a rough transcript of and what the theory is, is that to travel within space, creating the warp engine.......

Skip uh-huh.

Kiri: what you do is, you have to bend space so that you're traveling within a bubble that is external to space whereas space moves, the bubble does not. You are within the bubble and you travel within the bubble and the bubble itself is moving within space but you are not moving within the bubble. Now, by projecting a beam of a particular type of energy which is generated from the engines, you create a hole that will open and the bubble actually plugs the hole, sealing the hole behind it. It is not so much of a hole as more of an opening like this kind of effect.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, your spaceship travels within a particular part of space. Some people call it on your planet a gray area.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you travel within that area and then projecting a beam in front of the vessel at the appropriate time opens up another hole and you pop out at your location where you want to go, you see?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: that theory is........all I can say is that theory is that theory. I can't say whether it would work or whether it would not work, rather I can say that it's a theory.

Skip: uh-huh.