(Kiri helps our guest recall a warp engine from a past life with no moving parts. Very similar way of traveling as depicted in the movie "Dune" where a warp capable being helps provide the trip in exchange for something it needs.) 

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Skip: yes?

Kiri: you have a question, you're sitting there very patiently……well actually you’re sort of like bouncing around like one of those rubber balls that you…power balls.

Skip: I want to know something and I don’t think you give me an answer but I want to know anyhow.

Kiri: really?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: how in heck can you fuse life with how can I say this? With inanimate objects to give off power? This engine that I seen is driving me nuts.

Kiri: ohhhhhh.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: you can, you can, there is a….

Skip: uh-huh, tell me about it.

Russ: you put a hamster in a treadmill right?

Skip: what? No, no, no, this engine was moving partner and it was…..

Kiri: uh-huh, alive.

Skip: powering.........yeah it was alive.

Kiri: uh-huh. 

Skip: and it was powering a ship.

Kiri: okay now, put it this way, you take a…..I’m not quite sure what you call them but they root around in the ground, they snuffle a lot and they smell rotten and tend to lie around in their own mess sometimes.

John: pigs.

Kiri: yes thank you, that’s the word, I knew it was a three letter word, I thought it started with H.

John: no, well hog or pig would be correct........

Kiri: okay.

John: pig is what you’re using.

Kiri: okay now, what fuel does a pig give off?

Russ: methane.

John: methane.

Kiri: methane.

Skip: so does human beings.

Kiri: correct. Now, what can you do with methane?

Skip: burn it.

Kiri: which does what?

Skip: creates heat.

Kiri: which in turn can be used for?

Skip: oh a lot of things.

Kiri: uh-huh. So you see how an organic, living being can actually power something.

Skip: no, no.

Kiri: I know, I know, I’m taking a very, very simple…..

Skip: yeah I know what you’re doing to me, you're leading me down the garden path is what you’re doing.

Kiri: I’m leading you to the goal.

Skip: yeah okay go ahead.

Kiri: now let’s take the next logical step. Obviously you would want something that takes out the middle part right? That instead of it coming out and then being fermented and giving off the gas, you want to take that part out, you want to have some creature that goes from eating something to giving off the power.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, what would you do?

Skip: that’s what I’m asking you.

Kiri: I really can’t tell you without Omal turning around on me and saying, “pack your gear, you're going home.”

Skip: what I’m trying to get at….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: is I’ve seen this engine.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and it was alive.

Kiri: yeah, yeah, I know the engine that you're referring to.

Skip: and it wasn’t stationary.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and how can you make an engine, it’s beyond my comprehension.

Kiri: no it’s not.

Skip: yes it is.

Kiri: no it’s not. Okay, I need a guinea pig, Russ, stand up.

(that gets everybody laughing)

Russ: oh Jesus, why me all the time? What about Johnny?

John: well you’re here, if she would’ve chose me I would of stood up.

Kiri: okay Russ has had fuel earlier on today.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: okay, now we’ve taken out the middle part, Russ walk. Take a few steps, okay that will do. Okay Russ is an engine that has just moved so you get a living engine right? I.e. this gentleman here right? You’ve got the combustion chamber which is the stomach right? The energy that was the protein that he ate earlier on has been transferred into movement.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, now what you have to do is you take a……you can sit down, you’re done. Let’s give him a big round of applause.

(Kiri's claps are the only ones heard)

Kiri: okay but basically what is happening is that you take a entity, a being right? That you say to it, “okay you can do this right? You can power this. In return we will give you what you want as long as you give us what we want.” How the engine achieves the return in favor.........for example let’s say it needs a vessel to transport it. You build it a vessel to take it from point A to point B and in return for building it, let’s say you want to go to Aldebaran right? You have to say to it, “okay we built you this, you take us to Aldebaran and then you’re free to go.” So you build up this relationship with this entity. You give it food to power itself and in return it takes you where you wish to go.

Russ: it's symbiotic.

Kiri: it’s a symbit…..thank you, a symbiotic relationship between the engine and the people that are in control of it. Now, how it works. Basically the power source is the excreted waste, the power stream that comes out and moves the vessel or the engine is basically what’s left over after it’s eaten. What it’s basically doing is instead of just giving off a nasty order, it’s using that to achieve a goal, it’s as simple as that. The technical side is more of a medical thing actually that a medic would be better to answer it than myself. I understand the basics, I understand how it works and I understand how to repair the problem but when it comes to the whys, I’m at a little bit at a loss. I could tell you exactly how it works, all the chemical reactions and everything but again Omal would look at me and go, “you’re out, you’re going home" if I sat down and told you so I’ve got to be very careful on what I say here.

Skip: I understand dear. Okay, thank you.

Kiri: no problem.